Noticed that too, also on other WSF videos. These is pretty common in the academics world as a rule, even between males (visible on this video)
“Let her speak please”
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#252Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you wear sexism-colored glasses, don't be surprised if everything looks like sexism. That, I think, is what she's getting at. If you're always looking for a slight, always looking for a snide remark, you'll find it. Perception shapes reality.
"If you wear sexism-colored glasses, don't be surprised if everything looks like sexism." and if you wear glasses that block out sexism, don't be surprised if nothing looks like sexism.
If a sexist makes a comment in the woods and no one hears him (or her), does it matter? I would say no.
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When you look at the full response though.. She is supportive of the woman in the audience who spoke up. Veronika Hubeny: I applaud your heroism in standing up for what you believe in! I know well the shaky feeling and subsequent exhilarated and heartwarmed contentment in the knowledge of having done the right thing, and I think that doing so has become more crucial than ever. Your behavior was inspiring and I’m glad…
The feeling was rather one of camaraderie: the challenges to unravel the deepest mysteries of the universe, the thrill in understanding another tiny bit of this grand puzzle, and the sheer wonder at how beautifully the physics hangs together, put us all in the same boat, so to speak. This is what will end discrimination based on superficial differences: I think our mental reality is so much more interesting than our…
I kind of thought we were heading in that direction before the identity politics of the last decade, but maybe I was simply naive before.
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#254I received a delivery from a black gentleman today. Whilst reaching out for the package I was concerned he may think I'm racist if I wasn't excessively nice to him. I think I may be uncomfortable around minorities for fear of being labelled a racist. I have a similar worry around women. I think becoming racist would solve my concerns -- at least in my own mind. However, it doesn't make any sense to do that: individua…
Are you sure your not more of a classist than racist? If the person were your race would still feel obligated to be nice because they were performing a service for you? Or maybe your just a dick and being nice to people in general is a chore. I know that's my problem.
> Or maybe your just a dick and being nice to people in general is a chore. I know that's my problem.
Maybe I am a dick. I don't respect people unless they've earned my respect. I try not to be rude. It may seem like that if I'm in a hurry.
I am rude if someone interrupts me with bullshit.
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#255I received a delivery from a black gentleman today. Whilst reaching out for the package I was concerned he may think I'm racist if I wasn't excessively nice to him. I think I may be uncomfortable around minorities for fear of being labelled a racist. I have a similar worry around women. I think becoming racist would solve my concerns -- at least in my own mind. However, it doesn't make any sense to do that: individua…
If you're a white heterosexual male you're probably not used to being uncomfortable because the whole world was made for you. You don't feel uncomfortable when you see the police. You don't feel uncomfortable walking down your street at night by yourself. You don't feel uncomfortable going to your church. You don't feel uncomfortable kissing your spouse in the street. In my opinion, the discomfort you're feeling is n…
Not to underplay that growing up as, say, a black American in the projects comes with a whole host of horrific challenges, but this comment is incredibly sexist + racist.
>> You don't feel uncomfortable when you see the police.
I become incredibly uncomfortable around police, for many good reasons
>> You don't feel uncomfortable walking down your street at night by yourself
This as completely untrue. I've been followed several times by very shady people, and had one guy start charging me in the middle of the night from three blocks down - I jumped into a random taxi full of adrenaline. We were the only two people on the street as far as the eye could see.
I've also had to redirect myself into crowded areas in the middle of daylight after shady characters were following me.
Why is that? I live right beside a homeless camp and often these characters are shooting up on the street and then will yell at you about how they are going to "fucking murder" you. You'd probably be shocked to know that 95% of them are white males who were screwed by society.
>> You don't feel uncomfortable going to your church
I grew up going to church and always felt uncomfortable, it felt off to me. But I don't understand the point of this comment. I guess virtue signaling?
>> You don't feel uncomfortable kissing your spouse in the street
Damn right I don't. I can take you down streets where all sorts of minorities don't feel this way either. More virtue signaling?
>> In my opinion, the discomfort you're feeling is nothing compared to the others I described. So get used to it. We do the right thing because it's right, not because it's easy.
This is virtue signaling at its prime.
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#256Earlier quoted context omitted.
This might be the thing that is most problematic about 'call out' culture. We assume that we know the intention of people's behavior (sexism) and how it is received (offense). In many cases there may be neither. But I'm just cynical enough to suspect that this many not matter to people who 'call out.' They feel that they are on a mission to make society better regardless of whether there are problems in any individua…
'Impact' is far more important than 'intent'. People do racist/sexist/less than ideal things all the time, without even meaning to, because many of those behaviors are ingrained/systemic. Not meaning to be sexist doesn't excuse sexism. I agree that call out culture sometimes doesn't leave room for nuance and sometimes unnecessarily shoves people into defensive spaces - i.e. telling people they 'are sexist' vs telling…
There can not be any sexism without the behavior being based on sex, and it in this case it isn't clear that it was. That's an assumption people are making.
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I don't think he was doing that because he was sexist, I think he was doing that because he was really excited about the duality. The only way to improve society is to recognize when things are really done with ill intent and when they're the result of: geeking out + bad social skills
The way I see it: * He was geeking out. True. * There was no ill intent. True. * He wasn't sexist. False. He could geek out all he wanted, but speaking for her multiple times over her trying to get a foot in was very sexist, regardless of intent. I hold the door for guys all the time, but if you're only doing it for "feeble girls" it is telling. This was the case in this panel. She's there because she knows her shit,…
When I'm excited about something I'm prone to talking over everybody, and after realising this was sometimes squeezing people out of conversations where they could provide valuable input I've done my best to learn to catch myself doing this and try and consciously stop and let them talk.
What seems to be the case is that men are more likely to interrupt back, so on a population level this does tend to squeeze a higher percentage of women out - but it doesn't squeeze out the women who're happy to interrupt you back, and it does also squeeze out the quieter men, whose existence and contributions I've also become more aware of as a result.
So the mistake may not have been gendered on his part, and I'd suggest you think hard about whether you're engaging in benevolent sexism by believing only women can be quieter and more in danger of interrupted.
(note that given your other comment down-thread, it may be he's more likely to interrupt women - but it also may be that men are more likely to interrupt him back - if your watching of the video strongly suggests the former then fair enough, but my point here is "all quieter people gain from us learning to talk over people less" and I think that's worth remembering)
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If you watch the rest of the video you will find the moderator imposes himself and cuts off the panellists and talks over them multiple times, seemingly regardless of gender. This makes me strongly inclined to believe that this incident had nothing to do with sexism, but rather with the annoyingly dominant and imposing personality of the moderator. Maybe you think otherwise. Why would you say this incident is a "pain…
Link to video? EDIT: Found it at the bottom...
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I think it's worth considering that we're seeing some survivorship bias here - it's possible that she's the only woman on the panel because she thinks this way. In other words, it's possible that other women who would have seen this event as being rooted in sexism may eventually be a part of so many similar events during their career that they effectively burn out and switch to more female friendly fields. This has b…
If you wear sexism-colored glasses, don't be surprised if everything looks like sexism. That, I think, is what she's getting at. If you're always looking for a slight, always looking for a snide remark, you'll find it. Perception shapes reality.
That's not remotely close to what she said. In fact, she says that there is sexism in science and thanks her for speaking up. She says that her love of science prevents her from getting caught up in concern over the sexism, but she never says that it isn't real or an important issue, just that it has not stopped her from pursuing her passion.