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I find it very patronizing to assume that the woman on the panel is not able to defend herself against being talked over.

She certainly can, the question is why didn't she; the answer of course could show it had nothing (or everything) to do with her sex.

Re: “Let her speak please”

#122
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course I don't. Still it's sad to see that you are OK with sexist behaviour.

I'm not ok with sexist behavior, which is why I think "mansplaining" is such a useful term.

Sorry, but if you are OK with the term "mansplaining" then you are OK with sexist behaviour.

Re: “Let her speak please”

#123

Edit: I watched the video. The moderator goes on and on and the "let her speak please" sounds very polite. This is a painfully frustrating reminder that women get talked over by men. It's one thing to have one panelist talk over another, but to have the moderator, who is explicitly in charge of facilitating a panel discussion, be the one to drown out a panelist is just unacceptable. Yes, "not all men" do this, but th…

> This is a painfully frustrating reminder that women get talked over by men men get talked over as well some people just talk over other people nothing new

There were four men on the stage who weren't talked over.

Re: “Let her speak please”

#124

Edit: I watched the video. The moderator goes on and on and the "let her speak please" sounds very polite. This is a painfully frustrating reminder that women get talked over by men. It's one thing to have one panelist talk over another, but to have the moderator, who is explicitly in charge of facilitating a panel discussion, be the one to drown out a panelist is just unacceptable. Yes, "not all men" do this, but th…

If you watch the rest of the video you will find the moderator imposes himself and cuts off the panellists and talks over them multiple times, seemingly regardless of gender. This makes me strongly inclined to believe that this incident had nothing to do with sexism, but rather with the annoyingly dominant and imposing personality of the moderator.

Maybe you think otherwise. Why would you say this incident is a "painfully frustrating reminder that women get talked over by men"? Surely you can't construe this incident to mean that when all panellists alike suffered the same treatment? What's your take?

Re: “Let her speak please”

#125
post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is a painfully frustrating reminder that women get talked over by men men get talked over as well some people just talk over other people nothing new

There were four men on the stage who weren't talked over.

Maybe you would care to watch the video more closely. You will find the moderator has the same attitude with every member of the panel.

Re: “Let her speak please”

#126

he doesn't interrupt just her. His role is host, his role is to move the conversation about and yes he does fuck up by saying some stuff he should leave to her. However to me the evocative language used in the Facebook post suggests there is an aspect of deliberately seeking out "injustice" and being overly sensitive to it and seeing the world as a gender battle. If you're looking at the world through such a frame yo…

I tend to be sympathetic to the original poster of the story, it sounds like the woman was treated differently, and an expert being talked over like that by a host is ridiculous. It does indeed sound like an example of sexism.

This probably marks me as an ignorant oppressor, but I do find this style of telling a story to be a bit confusing and off-putting though. Why all the references to "with my hands shaking" and "I'm feeling light headed" and so on?

I guess it's a personal story that she can tell however she likes, but this idea of having a violent physical reaction to a relatively straightforward conversational faux-pas seems to be the hallmark of a certain genre of story.

Re: “Let her speak please”

#127

he doesn't interrupt just her. His role is host, his role is to move the conversation about and yes he does fuck up by saying some stuff he should leave to her. However to me the evocative language used in the Facebook post suggests there is an aspect of deliberately seeking out "injustice" and being overly sensitive to it and seeing the world as a gender battle. If you're looking at the world through such a frame yo…

If someone "fucks up" with women but not men, even if not intentional, is that not sexism?

Re: “Let her speak please”

#128

he doesn't interrupt just her. His role is host, his role is to move the conversation about and yes he does fuck up by saying some stuff he should leave to her. However to me the evocative language used in the Facebook post suggests there is an aspect of deliberately seeking out "injustice" and being overly sensitive to it and seeing the world as a gender battle. If you're looking at the world through such a frame yo…

It's very likely both, and out of all the panelists she did seemingly have fewer chances to speak. So in this isolated case, a surface evaluation of some gender bias being involved isn't completely outrageous. It doesn't by any means indicate that he's a bad person.

Re: “Let her speak please”

#129

Edit: I watched the video. The moderator goes on and on and the "let her speak please" sounds very polite. This is a painfully frustrating reminder that women get talked over by men. It's one thing to have one panelist talk over another, but to have the moderator, who is explicitly in charge of facilitating a panel discussion, be the one to drown out a panelist is just unacceptable. Yes, "not all men" do this, but th…

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Re: “Let her speak please”

#130

Can someone please pass that note to Joe Scarborough also? He was interviewed by Colbert, and not once was this raised. Seriously, watch Morning Joe and he just will not let Mika Brzezinski speak, and you can see her suppressing her frustration. Scarborough doesn't even appear to know he's doing it, and Brzezinski seems to be powerless to stop him.

It can't bother her too much. They just announced their engagement. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/04/business/media/morning...

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