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Post by Hikikomori »

acdha wrote: post #180
rngfnby wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why are we under the replacement rate? Seems relevant

It all comes back to women being treated as full people. Having a child is dangerous, expensive, and a major time commitment which mean that women who have other options are going to have fewer children later in life when they have the resources to support them. We also have much less demand for unskilled workers so even women who really want children are getting educated and establishing careers first rather than ge…

They can't be good little wives like republicans want if they have a career.

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Post by throw0101c »

charcircuit wrote: post #292
steve1977 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also always keep in mind that what is legal today might be illegal tomorrow. This includes things like your ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation and much more. You don't know today on which side of legality you will be in 10 years, even if your intentions are harmless.

Laws can not be applied retroactively. >ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation and much more. In this case you will very likely be given an option to leave or change (not possible for ethniticity). Wanting to be able to break the law in the future is not a just motivation.

> Laws can not be applied retroactively.

I would not be surprised if SCOTUS disagrees at some point.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by codyb »

mindslight wrote: post #329
codyb wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tons of young people either voted for Trump or didn't vote at all this time around. Undoubtedly influenced by social media, they're now realizing that what they voted for was their own future's destruction and are now abandoning him in droves. We'll see if it's too late or not. Delete your social media, shit is poison.

At the suburban protest I was at a few weeks ago there was a kid, he couldn't have been more than 20, circling around in his ~25 year old car with broken exhaust and mismatched-color body panels, filming, pointing, and laughing. I felt bad. At least the 50-something guys screaming with the blood vessels bulging out of their foreheads merely had the world change around them - supporting Republicans was halfway reasona…

Thanks for coming out!!

At the walkout on Monday, it was a smallish group of us out, and then like a class of high schoolers came out and joined us and it was such a nice burst of energy.

"New York City get litty! Donald Trump is shitty!" lol, they were having some fun with the chants.

Would love to see more young people come out

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by fastball »

jayd16 wrote: post #249
loeg wrote: post #6

Why would Medicaid have the data of anyone who is at risk of immigration enforcement? The reported connection seems tenuous: > The tool – dubbed Enhanced Leads Identification & Targeting for Enforcement (ELITE) – receives peoples’ addresses from the Department of Health and Human Services (which includes Medicaid) and other sources, 404 Media reports based on court testimony in Oregon by law enforcement agents, among…

Pam Bondi is now demanding voter rolls. It's clearly about suppressing liberal voters in liberal areas through a show of force. They're using this data to optimize who to harass.

How does that work? As a US citizen, no amount of "harassment" is going to stop me from voting.

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Post by JoshTriplett »

charcircuit wrote: post #313
blibble wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Laws can not be applied retroactively. I mean, I've read stupid takes on this website but this really takes the cake despots don't care about the law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_law >despots don't care about the law This is such a low probability scenario that I don't think it's worth the average person to worry about.

A few years ago most people would think violating the Posse Comitatus act would be such a low probability scenario. And yet.

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Post by mindslight »

neilv wrote: post #287
tasty_freeze wrote: post #203

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It reminds me of when Eric Schmidt, then CEO of google, tried that argument about people's worry of google collecting so much personal data. Some media outlet then published a bunch of personal information about Schmidt they had gathered using only google searches, including where he lives, his salary, his political donations, and where his kids went to school. Schmidt was not amused.

That questionable-sounding stunt by the media outlet wasn't comparable: Google/Alphabet knows much more about individuals than addresses, salary, and political donations. Google/Alphabet knows quite a lot about your sentiments, what information you've seen, your relationships, who can get to you, who you can get to, your hopes and fears, your economic situation, your health conditions, assorted kompromat, your moveme…

> Schmidt is actually from OG Internet circles where many people were aware of privacy issues, and who were vigilant against incursions.

> But perhaps he had a different philosophical position. Or perhaps it was his job to downplay the risks

I feel that as the consumer surveillance industry took off, everyone from those OG Internet circles was presented with a choice - stick with the individualist hacker spirit, or turncoat and build systems of corporate control. The people who chose power ended up incredibly rich, while the people who chose freedom got to watch the world burn while saying I told you so.

(There were also a lot of fence sitters in the middle who chose power but assuaged their own egos with slogans like "Don't be evil" and whatnot)

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Post by RHSeeger »

koolba wrote: post #19
simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

> The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. There’s a world of difference between a government using legally collected data for multiple purposes and an individual abusing their position purely for personal reasons.

There is 0 difference. None. There's not even a line to cross.

> legally collected data

In both cases, the information is legally collected (or at least, that's the only data we're concerned about in this conversation).

- government using

- individual abusing

^ Both of those are someone in the government using the information. In both cases, someone in the government can use the information in a way that causes an individual great harm; and isn't in the "understood" way the information would be used when it was "pitched" to the public. And in both cases, the person doing it will do what they want an almost certainly face no repercussions if what they're doing is morally, or even legally, wrong.

The government is collecting data (or paying someone else to collect that data, so it's not covered by the rules) and can then use it to cause individuals great harm. That's it, the entire description. The fact that _sometimes_ it's one cop using it to stalk someone or not is irrelevant.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by leptons »

kakacik wrote: post #91
dashundchen wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ICE has been harassing and following legal observers to their houses. They've shot and executed at least two people who were exercising their legal right to record their activity. The FBI has been showing up at the door of some people who dare to organize protests against ICE. Stingrays have been deployed to protests, ICE is collecting photos of protestors for their database, and has been querying YCombinator funded…

When your whole system works by giving absolutely ridiculous amount of power to a single individual who has nobody above or at least on the side capable of interfering and changing things, this is what you eventually get. Crossing fingers and praying given person isn't a complete psycho or worse is not going to cut it forever, is it. Especially when >50% of population welcomes such person with open arms, knowing well…

If the Democrats didn't allow SCOTUS to become corrupted by the fascist right-wing, we wouldn't be in this situation.

RBG refused to retire and died while Trump was president. That gave them one seat. Obama could have

McConnel refused to let Obama replace Scalia after he died. I'm not sure that had to happen the way it went down.

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Post by array_key_first »

charcircuit wrote: post #313
blibble wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Laws can not be applied retroactively. I mean, I've read stupid takes on this website but this really takes the cake despots don't care about the law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_law >despots don't care about the law This is such a low probability scenario that I don't think it's worth the average person to worry about.

The US is currently descending into fascim. With each passing day, we see more bold and obviously illegal actions that we would not have dreamed up in our wildest nightmares.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by RHSeeger »

jimmydoe wrote: post #152
simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

I don’t agree. I’m fine ICE can see my data, as long as there are process enforced to track those usage and I have a right to fight back for their misuse. Problem today is ICE has no accountability of misuse data/violence, not they have means to data/violence.

I'd rather ICE (or whatever government agency) not see my data... because, even if there are processes that are enforced, there might not be tomorrow. If that data isn't collected in the first place, that threat vector disappears.
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