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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by taurath »

andy99 wrote: post #73
taurath wrote: post #53

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It likely will. There’s major impact on literally everyone in tech, there’s huge data privacy concerns, and it has less coverage or discussion than a new version of jQuery. The US gov could fall but that would count as politics here so clearly irrelevant.

> less coverage or discussion than a new version of jQuery Pretty sure this is a feature not a bug. Most people aren’t here for political topics.

It gets down to the definition of political which is basically anything that might have a human cost, including to the people here. I have many coworkers having to upend their lives, some can’t currently leave the country. This is not worthy of discussion, but an esoteric library update is. Paul Graham posts are not political topics for some reason, but H1B people is.

Technology, technology leaders, and technology companies are literally driving politics, buying elections, driving the whole US economy.

Saying what “political” topics are IS political - and it’s decidedly a right wing position. Only those with the powers protecting them get to avoid politics.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by jfyi »

therobots927 wrote: post #93
10xDev wrote: post #69

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I mean, I don't like CCP tech or public executions of disarmed citizens but saying only 5% is a bit nuts.

The stats are pretty clear. Based on DHS own numbers https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/number-deported-im...

I'll read it for them.

This basically states that the figures are based on self reported ICE data and are unreliable at best.

The figure is within a rounding error, and regardless does nothing to change the CCP tech and public executions of citizens in the street in broad daylight in front of dozens of cameras.

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Post by whatshisface »

direwolf20 wrote: post #61
steve1977 wrote: post #50

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Also always keep in mind that what is legal today might be illegal tomorrow. This includes things like your ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation and much more. You don't know today on which side of legality you will be in 10 years, even if your intentions are harmless.

The reaction from the masses: "But that isn't true today, anything could happen in the future, and why should I invest so much work on something that's only a possibility?"

People do not have justifications for most choices. We watch YouTube when we would benefit more from teaching ourselves skills. We eat too much of food we know is junk. We stay up too late and either let others walk over us at work to avoid overt conflict or start fights and make enemies to protect our own emotions. If you want to know why Americans are allowing themselves to be gradually reduced to slavery, do not ask why.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by rngfnby »

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #74
billy99k wrote: post #23

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The US cannot afford, demographically, to curtail immigration, illegal or otherwise. Simple fact is the US needs more people because we’re under the replacement rate.

But why are we under the replacement rate? Seems relevant

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by paulryanrogers »

10xDev wrote: post #69
therobots927 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re right. We should throw away the constitution so we can deport.. (checks notes) 600,000 undocumented immigrants, only 5% of which have committed a violent crime.

I mean, I don't like CCP tech or public executions of disarmed citizens but saying only 5% is a bit nuts.

Another way to look at it: the native born are twice as likely to be arrested for violent and drug crimes.

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01/20250122/117827/HHRG...

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by blell »

direwolf20 wrote: post #83
tinyhouse wrote: post #60

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I don't have a horse in this race, but I do have a question. If you don't deport illegal immigrants, why not just open the border to everyone to come in? (let's ignore criminal records, etc for this exercise). What's the point of not letting people in but then if they manage to come in illegally, assume it's all good and they can stay?

That's the question, isn't it? Why not just do that? Who are you trying to keep out of the country, and for what end, and is that end best attained by removing people from the country who aren't the ones you are trying to keep out? For instance, if you believe the border should be strict to keep out serial killers, what does that have to do with removing Korean car factory workers who aren't serial killers?

Because once they come in sufficient numbers they will turn your country into the country they fled from - and then you are in trouble.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by sosomoxie »

PlanksVariable wrote: post #101
sosomoxie wrote: post #27

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Yeah I'm against ICE and I don't want any immigrants deported.

Why? Deportation is a reasonable response when a person violates a country’s immigration laws. That is the standard around the world. Alternatively, you have an essentially open border, which obviously can lead to unmanageable waves of immigration that strain a country’s housing, healthcare, schools, welfare, and other resources, among other effects. Disruption to peoples’ lives happens when we have administrations w…

> obviously can lead to unmanageable waves of immigration that strain a country’s housing, healthcare, schools, welfare, and other resources, among other effects.

I don't agree that this is "obvious". Immigrants bring important social and cultural capital. Who do you think is building a lot of the infrastructure in the US? The people putting a strain on the system are actually the aging baby boomer generation.

I have many other reasons for supporting open immigration that are less transactional, but the suggestions that immigrants "strain" our infrastructure is incorrect.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by DrSAR »

tinyhouse wrote: post #60
therobots927 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re right. We should throw away the constitution so we can deport.. (checks notes) 600,000 undocumented immigrants, only 5% of which have committed a violent crime.

I don't have a horse in this race, but I do have a question. If you don't deport illegal immigrants, why not just open the border to everyone to come in? (let's ignore criminal records, etc for this exercise). What's the point of not letting people in but then if they manage to come in illegally, assume it's all good and they can stay?

No horse either but here is an attempt (ignoring criminal record as you say): Opening the border and letting her rip is clearly not sustainable in the medium term. So you try to make it (reasonably) hard to get in incl. turning people away at the border.

Once they are in (incl illegally so) you concede you have lost on this instance. Now you admit that forcefully removing immigrants carries too high a cost (literally + damage in the communities you remove the immigrants from + your humanitarian image). So you don't.

Somehow that balance seems really hard to get right and edge cases (criminal record) matter.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by PlanksVariable »

direwolf20 wrote: post #79
gruez wrote: post #70

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/s? Otherwise you're proving his point, which is that there's no middle ground, only "ICE raids terrorizing people" and "sanctuary cities/states where local governments refuse to do any sort of immigration enforcement and specifically turn a blind eye to immigration status".

What actual, concrete benefit do you see from deporting immigrants?

The question is about deporting illegal immigrants specifically, i.e. people who are in a country in violated of its immigration laws.

I think the main benefit is the same as with any law: if you have a law with no consequences for the people who break it, you don’t really have a law. If we don’t have immigration laws, we have an open border and with an open border, we can’t regulate the rate at which people enter the country. This rate can easily exceed the amount that the country reasonably accommodate, which negative impact on housing, healthcare, welfare, transportation, civic cohesion, and education systems.

Immigration law is standard around the world, with deportation being the standard response to people who violate that law. The more interesting question here is how you think a modern country will function and continue serving the needs of its citizens when it stops enforcing its immigration laws.

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