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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by kakacik »

dashundchen wrote: post #21
loeg wrote: post #6

Why would Medicaid have the data of anyone who is at risk of immigration enforcement? The reported connection seems tenuous: > The tool – dubbed Enhanced Leads Identification & Targeting for Enforcement (ELITE) – receives peoples’ addresses from the Department of Health and Human Services (which includes Medicaid) and other sources, 404 Media reports based on court testimony in Oregon by law enforcement agents, among…

ICE has been harassing and following legal observers to their houses. They've shot and executed at least two people who were exercising their legal right to record their activity. The FBI has been showing up at the door of some people who dare to organize protests against ICE. Stingrays have been deployed to protests, ICE is collecting photos of protestors for their database, and has been querying YCombinator funded…

When your whole system works by giving absolutely ridiculous amount of power to a single individual who has nobody above or at least on the side capable of interfering and changing things, this is what you eventually get. Crossing fingers and praying given person isn't a complete psycho or worse is not going to cut it forever, is it. Especially when >50% of population welcomes such person with open arms, knowing well who is coming.

Given what kind of garbage from human gene pool gets and thrives in high politics its more surprising the show lasted as long as it did.

Now the question shouldn't be 'how much outraged we should be' since we get this situation for a year at this point, but rather what to do next, how we can shape future to avoid this. If there will be the time for such correction, which is a huge IF.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by sosomoxie »

gruez wrote: post #70
sosomoxie wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I'm against ICE and I don't want any immigrants deported.

/s? Otherwise you're proving his point, which is that there's no middle ground, only "ICE raids terrorizing people" and "sanctuary cities/states where local governments refuse to do any sort of immigration enforcement and specifically turn a blind eye to immigration status".

Yes, well I don't think we should deport people and I think immigrants improve the US, so I would be in the latter category. He's "waiting to hear of alternatives that don't involve deporting illegal immigrants", and I have one: don't deport anyone.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by therobots927 »

10xDev wrote: post #69
therobots927 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re right. We should throw away the constitution so we can deport.. (checks notes) 600,000 undocumented immigrants, only 5% of which have committed a violent crime.

I mean, I don't like CCP tech or public executions of disarmed citizens but saying only 5% is a bit nuts.

The stats are pretty clear. Based on DHS own numbers

https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/number-deported-im...

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by gruez »

direwolf20 wrote: post #68
gruez wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Renee Good blocked half the [small, suburban, low traffic, no lane markings] road and told the officers they were free to drive around her. I don't know what the blockage was about the but she seemingly wasn't trying to get in anyone's way.

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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by jfyi »

gruez wrote: post #70
sosomoxie wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I'm against ICE and I don't want any immigrants deported.

/s? Otherwise you're proving his point, which is that there's no middle ground, only "ICE raids terrorizing people" and "sanctuary cities/states where local governments refuse to do any sort of immigration enforcement and specifically turn a blind eye to immigration status".

It's a false dilemma either way. "You are with ICE or you are pro-illegal immigration".

...and that's best case scenario, giving the benefit of the doubt.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by kakacik »

direwolf20 wrote: post #76
mikelitoris wrote: post #58

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Nobody thinks that. They are there for money.

Even Peter Thiel?

Especially Peter Thiel. Now we are not saying he doesn't internally agree with many things that are happening (I don't mean this specific topic but rather overall direction of US society), we know he does.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by paulryanrogers »

billy99k wrote: post #23

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Most of these people didn't protest ICE under Biden and Obama, who both deported more than Trump 1. That's because we see a difference in how illegal migrants were prioritized (violent offenders first) and treated (more humanely) then compared to now. And how citizen protests were handled then and now.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by p1esk »

steve1977 wrote: post #50
simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

Also always keep in mind that what is legal today might be illegal tomorrow. This includes things like your ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation and much more. You don't know today on which side of legality you will be in 10 years, even if your intentions are harmless.

Privacy itself can become illegal just as easily as religion, etc. if we follow your argument.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by codyb »

mindslight wrote: post #40
bigyabai wrote: post #28

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For me, it's the summary execution of US citizens that gives me pause.

Who needs to care about the Constitution, Individual Liberty, or limited government when there are iMmIgrAnTs around?! It's like these people never got past their childhood phase worrying about the monster in the closet. In fact I do have to wonder how much of the non-Boomer+ support for this regime is just from naive kids who have zero life experience.

Tons of young people either voted for Trump or didn't vote at all this time around.

Undoubtedly influenced by social media, they're now realizing that what they voted for was their own future's destruction and are now abandoning him in droves.

We'll see if it's too late or not.

Delete your social media, shit is poison.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by therobots927 »

andy99 wrote: post #73
taurath wrote: post #53

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It likely will. There’s major impact on literally everyone in tech, there’s huge data privacy concerns, and it has less coverage or discussion than a new version of jQuery. The US gov could fall but that would count as politics here so clearly irrelevant.

> less coverage or discussion than a new version of jQuery Pretty sure this is a feature not a bug. Most people aren’t here for political topics.

Yep. They’re here to bury their head in the sand and keep up to date with the latest tech trends like the good little worker bees they are.
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