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ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by nailer »

plagiarist wrote: post #9
simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

The same people saying that will also defend police wearing masks, hiding badges, and shutting off body cameras. They are not participating in discussions with the same values (truth, integrity) that you have. Logic does not work on people who believe Calvinistic predestination is the right model for society.

Police absolutely should have body cameras - quite frequently they’ve proven law enforcement officers handled things correctly where activists have tried to say otherwise.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by charcircuit »

steve1977 wrote: post #50
simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

Also always keep in mind that what is legal today might be illegal tomorrow. This includes things like your ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation and much more. You don't know today on which side of legality you will be in 10 years, even if your intentions are harmless.

Laws can not be applied retroactively.

>ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation and much more.

In this case you will very likely be given an option to leave or change (not possible for ethniticity).

Wanting to be able to break the law in the future is not a just motivation.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by FireBeyond »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #89
smitty1e wrote: post #33

I hope that we can agree that blowing off the 10A and allowing all of this federal bloat has not been a swift call. Social services left at the State level would be subject to a smaller pool of votes for approval and are more likely to be funded by actual tax revenue instead of debt. That is: sustainably. Furthermore, the lack of One True Database is a safety feature in the face of the inevitable bad actors. In naval…

Some states are too poor to effectively fund and maintain their own safety nets. It's common for folks laid off in these states to get a dubious mental health diagnosis to justify SSDI, because doctors know they have no prospects and could well become homeless without it.

Funny how often those are red states...

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by nailer »

taurath wrote: post #53
eoskx wrote: post #14

Glad to see this post didn't get flagged like the one that was posted yesterday on a similar topic about ICE data mining and user tracking. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46748336

It likely will. There’s major impact on literally everyone in tech, there’s huge data privacy concerns, and it has less coverage or discussion than a new version of jQuery. The US gov could fall but that would count as politics here so clearly irrelevant.

Yes. I think the problem is people that drive into police officers, abandon their children or bring a gun to a law enforcement event then resist arrest. HN is full of activism these days and I’m tired of the support for vigilantism.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by mystraline »

Right now, in Belarus, amateur radio operators are being considered "enemies of the state".

Naturally they all are registered with the govt, and thus easy to pick up, jail, or murder.

This is the type of danger where last year amateur radio was legal, and now it gets you jailed. Thats the danger of this sort of data.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by charcircuit »

thangalin wrote: post #113
simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

> I've got nothing to hide. Some retorts for people swayed by that argument: "Can we put a camera in your bathroom?" "Let's send your mom all your text messages." "Ain't nothin' in my pockets, but I'd rather you didn't check." "Shall we live-stream your next doctor's appointment?" "May I watch you enter your PIN at the ATM?" "How about you post your credit card number on reddit?" "Care to read your high-school diary…

You, someone's friends, and someone's mom are not law enforcement investigating a crime.

There's a big difference between these scenarios.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by lvspiff »

odie5533 wrote: post #11
loeg wrote: post #6

Why would Medicaid have the data of anyone who is at risk of immigration enforcement? The reported connection seems tenuous: > The tool – dubbed Enhanced Leads Identification & Targeting for Enforcement (ELITE) – receives peoples’ addresses from the Department of Health and Human Services (which includes Medicaid) and other sources, 404 Media reports based on court testimony in Oregon by law enforcement agents, among…

Medicaid-receiving immigrants could have their immigration status change, legal violations, emergency medicaid use, sometimes there's state funded coverage that immigrants are offered, etc. There's lots of reasons where Medicaid will have information on immigrants.

That doesnt mean they are illegal right off the bat - there is no reasonable way to filter out the "illegal" members of the roles and essentially making it so the DOJ has a list of people who they can cross reference with expiring status and the moment the clock strikes midnight and their status changes they can get picked up. They should not have all those records for fishing expedititions.

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Post by blibble »

charcircuit wrote: post #292
steve1977 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also always keep in mind that what is legal today might be illegal tomorrow. This includes things like your ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation and much more. You don't know today on which side of legality you will be in 10 years, even if your intentions are harmless.

Laws can not be applied retroactively. >ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation and much more. In this case you will very likely be given an option to leave or change (not possible for ethniticity). Wanting to be able to break the law in the future is not a just motivation.

> Laws can not be applied retroactively.

I mean, I've read stupid takes on this website but this really takes the cake

despots don't care about the law

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by [deleted] »

pjc50 wrote: post #229
notepad0x90 wrote: post #219

Don't you at least need to legally migrate to be in medicaid? I thought I had to be a citizen? Are they full in a full on SS mode now?

People keep forgetting that it's possible to legally migrate, work for awhile, and so on, and then "become illegal" due to deadlines or administration issues. An example every tech worker should understand is H1-B, where as an added bonus your employer can make you illegal.

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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

One interesting point about the volume of data that might be available about any individual is that law enforcement will only look for data points that suit their agenda.

They won't be searching for counter evidence. It won't even cross their minds to do so.

You're on record saying one thing one time that was vanilla at the time but is now ultra spicy (possibly even because the definition of words can change and context is likely lost) then you'll be a result in their search and you'll go on their list.

(This is based on my anecdotal experience of having my house raided and the police didn't even know to expect there to be children in the house; children who were both over ten years old and going to school and therefore easily searchable in their systems; we hadn't moved house since 15 years prior, so there was no question of mixing up an identity. The police requested a warrant, and a fucking judge even signed it, based on a single data point: an IP address given to them by a third party internet monitoring company.)

Keep your shit locked down, law enforcement are just as bad at their jobs as any other Joe Clockwatcher. In fact they're often worse because their incentive structure leans heavily towards successful prosecution.

Sorry for the rant.

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