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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by gruez »

direwolf20 wrote: post #79
gruez wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

/s? Otherwise you're proving his point, which is that there's no middle ground, only "ICE raids terrorizing people" and "sanctuary cities/states where local governments refuse to do any sort of immigration enforcement and specifically turn a blind eye to immigration status".

What actual, concrete benefit do you see from deporting immigrants?

>you see from deporting immigrants?

Nice job sneakily changing "immigration enforcement" to "deporting immigrants".

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by gunsle »

loeg wrote: post #6

Why would Medicaid have the data of anyone who is at risk of immigration enforcement? The reported connection seems tenuous: > The tool – dubbed Enhanced Leads Identification & Targeting for Enforcement (ELITE) – receives peoples’ addresses from the Department of Health and Human Services (which includes Medicaid) and other sources, 404 Media reports based on court testimony in Oregon by law enforcement agents, among…

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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by thangalin »

simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

> I've got nothing to hide.

Some retorts for people swayed by that argument:

"Can we put a camera in your bathroom?"

"Let's send your mom all your text messages."

"Ain't nothin' in my pockets, but I'd rather you didn't check."

"Shall we live-stream your next doctor's appointment?"

"May I watch you enter your PIN at the ATM?"

"How about you post your credit card number on reddit?"

"Care to read your high-school diary on open mic night?"

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC »

simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

Are you against income tax?

Are you against business registration?

All of these are subject to the similar issues with the stalker ex abusing a position of power?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by watty »

therobots927 wrote: post #100
andy99 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> less coverage or discussion than a new version of jQuery Pretty sure this is a feature not a bug. Most people aren’t here for political topics.

Yep. They’re here to bury their head in the sand and keep up to date with the latest tech trends like the good little worker bees they are.

I don't think that's fair. I follow politics closely but prefer HN to stay technical. It shouldn't be offensive.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by asveikau »

billy99k wrote: post #23

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They sold us on a lie about the extent of the illegal immigrant "problem". It's numerically impossible to make the promises they made and not deport people who it's hard to argue should be deported.

Immigrants also commit crimes at fewer rates than US born people and crime is at all time lows. Yet they sold us for years on a crime moral panic and phantom "migrant crime".

So you said, propose a solution that also involves deporting people, and I will say NO. You are wanting to target a mostly fake problem.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by p1esk »

direwolf20 wrote: post #63
ck_one wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the moment for Europe to show that you can do gov and business differently. If they get their s** together and actually present a viable alternative.

Europe can't do business differently. Or at least it doesn't seem to be able to. China can.

China can

Yes, things are different in totalitarian states.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by gunsle »

mikelitoris wrote: post #58
Analemma_ wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not gonna happen. The people who work at Palantir, if they’re not just there for the money, think they’re doing the right thing, they see themselves as keeping the country safe and improving government efficiency (and who could be against that?)

Nobody thinks that. They are there for money.

That’s just not true. There are plenty of people in defense tech that clearly believe they are doing the right thing. Same with those in the military. Their version of “right” is just different than yours. To them, ensuring American hegemony is more right than whatever your definition is.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by gruez »

sosomoxie wrote: post #92
gruez wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

/s? Otherwise you're proving his point, which is that there's no middle ground, only "ICE raids terrorizing people" and "sanctuary cities/states where local governments refuse to do any sort of immigration enforcement and specifically turn a blind eye to immigration status".

Yes, well I don't think we should deport people and I think immigrants improve the US, so I would be in the latter category. He's "waiting to hear of alternatives that don't involve deporting illegal immigrants", and I have one: don't deport anyone.

>Yes, well I don't think we should deport people and I think immigrants improve the US, so I would be in the latter category

Which would put you in the minority (16%).

https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/03/26/am...

Even without getting into a debate of whether we should do immigration enforcement at all (a sibling reply goes into it in better detail), there's the practical effect that most people do, and if Democrats don't oblige, people like Trump will get in power instead.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by tw04 »

simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

> The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases.

Which has literally happened already for anyone who thinks “there’s controls in place for that sort of thing”. That’s with (generally) good faith actors in power. What do you think can and will happen when people who think democracy and the constitution are unnecessary end up in control…

https://www.cnn.com/2013/09/27/politics/nsa-snooping/

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