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Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by jjtheblunt »

trasz wrote: post #316
jjtheblunt wrote: post #186

I wonder if, like I, people see the word "Russia" and think it means two distinct things: the mobsters and their network of organized embezzling and crime and terror to protect themselves who currently control the Kremlin, and the millions of innocent people along for the ride. Seems Russia has this tail recursive shitty luck of essentially mobsters raping the country for well over a century.

Vast majority of those millions fully support Putin.

i think it was recently measured at roughly 2/3, and a breakdown of the measurement showed it was people without internet news access predominately.

it's an interesting situation for sure.

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Post by LegitShady »

jasonshaev wrote: post #218
rajin444 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Private companies should not get in the business of policing content. Follow the laws of the land and that’s it. It’s not really a foreign concept. We don’t deny somebody sunlight or air because they do something we don’t like (we as in non government entities - governments do deny people “air”). The world would be a better place if businesses operated as close to a natural resource as possible and left politics to p…

In the US, the 1st amendment grants private companies the right to police content within their purview. Preventing them from doing so is in itself a violation of the 1st amendment. Thus, in my opinion, the suggestion that private companies should NOT police content, despite their explicit 1st amendment right to do so, is antithetical to the 1st amendment.

In the US, companies get 1st amendment protections as if they were people, but don't get any of the liability due to SEction 230 of the communications decency act.

Giving companies 1st amendment rights was ridiculous, but then giving them protections beyond the 1st amendment that no normal person gets was giving them too much power to control speech in society.

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

yucky wrote: post #331
jacquesm wrote: post #287

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Could you please stop spouting Russian propaganda at every step? Russia has a far bigger Neo Nazi problem then Ukraine, on top of that it isn't exactly the Ukranian Neo Nazi's that are currently invading another country to slaughter their citizens. Neo Nazi's are unfortunately all too common, in the context of Ukraine they are merely a very convenient excuse to invade another sovereign country.

Help me understand what I said that is Russian propaganda. I don't think anybody denies the Ukrainian Azov Battalion is clearly Neo-Nazi. Are you saying this is one of those things that is best left unsaid, since it is an uncomfortable truth? Is that what makes it propaganda in your mind? Because nobody denies the accuracy of it. It's especially odd that you call it Russian propaganda since in the same sentence I cal…

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Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

yucky wrote: post #339
woodada wrote: post #336

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You said: > Are you referring to the Ukrainian Azov Battalion with their Nazi ideology, or the Russians who have invaded a sovereign country? > The choice may seem simple to you, but it's not as easy as you might think for many to side with avowed Nazi's either.. What you're implying is that there is some moral justification to invading Ukraine if the goal is to eliminate the Nazi Azov battalion. That is false -- the…

The comment was in response to the statement that "the choice was clear" on who should be supported. Except it's not. There is a lot of blame to go around, it's been abundantly clear for 25 years that NATO expansion to Ukraine & Georgia would result in war[1]. So when we have continually pushed for that, we have been pushing for war. Also, we can't ignore the US-backed Ukrainian coup/revolution in 2014[2] which then…

> be can't ignore the US-backed Ukrainian coup/revolution in 2014which then resulted in the invasion of Crimea

You have been called out on your "CIA Coup" propaganda before, regarding this event: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity

Saying that it "resulted in the invasion of Crimea" is like saying "she made me hit her". it's repulsive.

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Post by twelve40 »

sAbakumoff wrote: post #329
twelve40 wrote: post #255

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You are claiming as a fact that regular Facebook users will be criminally prosecuted. What is _your_ source? Outside of pointless cussing and insults.

My source is the definition of an extremist organization. If you don't get that, you are ignorant. And based on what you cite KP(LMAO) you aren't just ignorant, you are delusional.

right, of course no source, just more insults :shrug: whatever

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by yucky »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #344
yucky wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The comment was in response to the statement that "the choice was clear" on who should be supported. Except it's not. There is a lot of blame to go around, it's been abundantly clear for 25 years that NATO expansion to Ukraine & Georgia would result in war[1]. So when we have continually pushed for that, we have been pushing for war. Also, we can't ignore the US-backed Ukrainian coup/revolution in 2014[2] which then…

> be can't ignore the US-backed Ukrainian coup/revolution in 2014which then resulted in the invasion of Crimea You have been called out on your "CIA Coup" propaganda before, regarding this event: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity Saying that it "resulted in the invasion of Crimea" is like saying "she made me hit her". it's repulsive.

I have been called out? I provided links to Reuters and AP, it doesn't get more legit than that.

Maybe you don't realize the CIA has a long and illustrious career of fomenting revolutions, but their fingerprints are all over it.

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Post by jasonm23 »

gambler wrote: post #40

If you need to change your platform's rules for literally every major event (elections, Covid, this war) there is something profoundly wrong both with your rules and your platform. There is tremendous value in having actual principles. So many people either forgotten it or never understood that to begin with.

Does anyone honestly believe Mark Zuckerberg has principles?

He's never demonstrated this in any way shape or form.

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Post by jasonm23 »

monklu wrote: post #82
gambler wrote: post #40

If you need to change your platform's rules for literally every major event (elections, Covid, this war) there is something profoundly wrong both with your rules and your platform. There is tremendous value in having actual principles. So many people either forgotten it or never understood that to begin with.

On the contrary, I think this says less about FB, but more so reflects a hypocrisy in "western principles" that many are probably not self-aware of. Let's assume for a second, that FB do not relax their rules for this conflict. Then they would have to ban a whole sleuth of Ukrainian accounts, including many government accounts such as Ministry of Defense, and probably even Zelensky. You don't have to stretch your ima…

Btw wrt "sleuth of Ukrainian accounts", I think you meant slew.

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Post by Lascaille »

elliekelly wrote: post #334
Lascaille wrote: post #327

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So the 1st amendment's wrong. Fix it somehow. Landline telephone companies are obliged by their terms of licence to serve all customers in their coverage area (i.e they can't deny the KKK a landline.) There's precedent for forcing companies to provide a certain service. Just write a law. Find or invent a justification and write a law.

We could nationalize facebook. That would fix all of the problems you’ve described. It would also create a lot of new ones...

I figure - at least for the US - that that's the inevitable conclusion. Not necessarily FB, perhaps a govt service that's created along the lines of twitter, simple and straightforward.

The internet is the de-facto public square, there has to be a public forum that's under the control of the public.

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Post by PhantomBKB »

bastawhiz wrote: post #113
PhantomBKB wrote: post #109

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They should have kept it quiet in any case. The rhetoric hurts them either way.

Hurts them how?

If they keep quiet about the issue, the public might protest about their inaction. If they make a move like they've done now, it's going to look like they are pro hate speech which also does not look good from the perspective of humanity.
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