what if they post from outside of the EU, or the platform is not in the EU? that would mean these laws don't apply? seems a bit useless law considering what the internet is... besides that it's prone to trolls getting companies fined. stupid idea for on the internet if you ask me.
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Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it
#342Earlier quoted context omitted.
>They are not blocked. Self blocking in response to a law to avoid the penalties under the law is being blocked by the law.
Self-blocking instead of making one's business model compliant with the law is a choice . An alternative would be to update the business model. That's all there is to it. GDPR isn't banning news sites, or other companies; it's banning a very particular set of antisocial business practices.
You’re muddying the waters. Just because someone doesn’t want to take on the compliance burden does not mean they have an antisocial business practice. What you’re saying does not logically follow.
Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it
#343Earlier quoted context omitted.
GDPR has had a very detrimental effect on user experience, with never ending popups and warnings about crap nobody understands. And being in the EU there's several US publications we can no longer access.
I can buy arguments that extra compliance efforts make some businesses not cost-effective in Europe, but this particular argument is nonsense. It's like a factory that dumped toxic waste into a river complaining that, because of a ban on dumping toxic waste into rivers, they now "have to" dump them to nearby meadows instead, and that makes local customers unhappy. "Detrimental effect on user experience" is an intende…
No, it's more like prop 47: "Hey, you have to warn people if there are carcinogens inside. No penalty for false warnings."
Every business: "Stuff in here causes cancer."
Every customer: "Okay."
GPDR:
Every business: "Hey, we use cookies to provide a better experience. That okay?"
Every customer: "OK."
Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it
#344Is AWS's S3 (or other object store providers) on the hook for upload filtering? Maybe just their EU locations?
Well, you have to sign up with a credit card for AWS so I would think they would just pass on the lawsuits straight to you as they know who you are.
Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it
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I feel like we had this exact same argument over GDPR, but no horror stories have descended about Mom and Pop operations run out of business but the evil Brusselcrats.
> we had this exact same argument over GDPR, but no horror stories have descended Romania has already deployed GDPR as a weapon against its press [1]. I also have a short list of anecdotes of economic activity (start-ups and other new market entrants) that would have happened in the EU but, in large part due to compliance costs–including GDPR–wound up happening outside the EU. [1] https://euobserver.com/justice/14335…
And the EU is trying to prevent Romania from doing it. I don't see your point. Romania could just have used another law or just made a new one to harass the press.
Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it
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Now if Britain is leaving, English could be considered as a neutral language so no country has an advantage. It is also still the only language that is taught as a foreign language in close to all primary and secondary schools in the Union. It's the most spoken language in the Union. It's relatively easy to learn as a foreign language. It's also the de facto language of international trade, of science, of culture and…
> Now if Britain is leaving, English could be considered as a neutral language so no country has an advantage. There’s still the Irish.
True, but Ireland is less than 5M, 13 seats in the EU parliament. They are not seen as a competition to anyone. The UK is 66M with 73 seats in the parliament, member of G7 and one of the most important economies in the EU.
Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it
#347Earlier quoted context omitted.
Indeterminate legal concepts are very common, I don't know why this is always brought up as soon as it's "about the internet".
Programmers like to plan for every possible state and define things in the most technical, specific way possible. Legislation is written contrariwise, which can seem baffling to programmers unfamiliar with the system.
Are you talking about directives in the E.U.? Or the law of a specific E.U. country?
It doesn't seem to be like this in the US. If you look at laws in the US, they try to define every word and every situation with a lot of cases. Vagueness seems to be avoided, and I'd say it actually doesn't seem too unfamiliar to programmers if used to the jargon
Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it
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Please stop with this fiction. I bet you never had to learn English as a second language. It's very hard.
English is pretty easy due to the insane amounts of English media we consume. I could speak and understand decent English when I was less than 10 or so due to watching so many subtitled shows and playing video games. My native language is Finnish. Which is farther from English than Hindi (Which is in indo-european language tree unlike Finnish). The biggest obstacle to using something like Mandarin is the writing syst…
>English is pretty easy due to the insane amounts of English media we consume.
As an American, I've been studying German for about 15 years, but although I've never officially studied Spanish, I speak and understand casual Spanish better then I do German. I wouldn't be able to read a Spanish novel like I can in German, but I can understand Spanish speakers and text message Spanish speakers far better than I can in German. All of this is from picking up the language through media, listening to Spanish speakers in my town, and hearing some of my wife's family speaking Spanish to each other.
German, on the other hand, is very difficult for me to encounter on the street and nearly as difficult to find cultural material to consume (Amazon carries German-language Harry Potter, 50 Shades of Grey, and that's about it).
There is a lot to be said about passively learning a language just from hearing it constantly.
Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it
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>What is 'meant' is irrelevant. Important is the letter of the law. Hold on, that's not true. The intent of law matters and is codified in various ways, including stating the intent of the law directly in its text. This in turn informs judges (including appellate judges!) of how to evaluate a specific case. In jurisprudential systems, this in turn becomes case-law which further cements the intent of the law as a bind…
Or they are exceedingly cynical about the arbiters and paranoid about abuses - not a bad tradition when defending rights. Intents may be pretenses which are cheap and mean nothing. The USSR was "for the people" and killed record ammounts of them. Even if ungrounded in displayed maliciousness a "how will this be abused" mindset is its own tradition and I argue a good thing when considering and writing laws. Since writ…
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Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it
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Isn't that just straight abuse of the law? AFAIK GDPR only protects your personal information, it can't be used to request someone else's personal information (if anything, you could argue that GDPR prevents you from giving out another person's info).
This isn't the police or the parliament asking for the information. It's the regulatory body that does inspections to companies to see if they respect GDPR. So the pretext they're using is that they want to see the information to make sure that the news organisation is not selling it or mishandling it to other third parties. In the process, they'll be able to get the information and maybe it will go to the people inv…
wouldn't any other regulatory body be able to ask that data to check, for example, if they are doing _anything illegal_ with that data?
For example, can't you check for all data to verify that the business is not doing anything with forbidden individuals or countries? (think OFAC)
I don't think GDPR allows anything more than any other law.