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Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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It'd probably be easier but not good, diversity in engines is good here. We don't want something like the IE monopoly again.

Hahaha - as a European there is already a monopoly, a US based monopoly. But that's really due to the compliancy of europeans tech industry.

Today I was asked to give permission to transmit my personal data to Google Maps to view my train route. I wondered why they didn't use Open Street Maps. Systems exist, but the people with the money don't care to use them.

My new phone is full of many more libre apps than my old phone.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Everybody is talking about Chrome, but I tell ya what I have that disabled on my Android in favor of Firefox. Firefox on mobile with full-fat uBlock Origin is the closest thing to parity with desktop web access you can get. I don't just block ads, I block elements on sites I don't care about with :has-text RegEx rules. You can't do that on Chrome even on desktop anymore. I'm this close to swapping to the Android as m…

> Firefox on mobile with full-fat uBlock Origin

I think uBO is not disabling PPA, does it?

- June 2024. Mozilla acquires Anonym, an ad metrics firm.

- July 2024. Mozilla adds Privacy-Preserving Attribution (PPA), feature is enabled by default. Developed in cooperation with Meta (Facebook).

- Feb 2025. Mozilla updates its Privacy FAQ and TOS. "does not sell data about you." becomes "... in the way that most people think about it".

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Maybe not brand loyalty... but people, universally, want the best product available. Today, for a large portion of the world, that is perceived to be the iPhone. The iPhone being banned in Japan because of some policy dispute with the government is going to go over like a bag of wet cement. People may not care that it's "Apple", but they do care the "Best" is being banned for reasons the population doesn't care about…

"people, universally, want the best product available" Maybe I'm not a person, but I almost always pick one of the cheaper if not cheapest option. Rarely, if ever, do I care enough to get the best of anything...

Look at Nubia, you can have a cheap phone that is also better and more performant.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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The only reason why Safari is "shit" is because web developers are too lazy to develop for the web and instead develop for Chrome. The point of the web is that it's an open standard. Expecting everyone to use the bleeding edge version of the most aggressively feature-laden browser isn't just unreasonable, it's counter to the spirit of the platform. Microsoft got into trouble for pushing Netscape users over to Interne…

> The only reason why Safari is "shit" is because web developers are too lazy to develop for the web and instead develop for Chrome. Safari is only available on Apple devices, Chrome is available everywhere. Let's not pretend that laziness is the only reason why Chrome has the largest marketshare. > The point of the web is that it's an open standard. Expecting everyone to use the bleeding edge version of the most agg…

Safari being Apple-only only has the appearance of a problem when the only alternative is one browser that happens to be almost everywhere. Again, the point of the web is to be an open platform, not the placing at a single corporation.

Chrome has plenty of problems but nobody cares because when Chrome doesn’t support something properly, no one uses it.

I agree that Safari is not perfect either. But let’s assume for a moment that nothing is going to make Apple invest more into WebKit than they are already. Which of the following worlds would I prefer?

1. WebKit remains the exclusive browser on iOS devices. The bleeding edge of the web doesn’t advance quite as quickly. A tiny number of developers who don’t already have access to an Apple device have to spend literally tens of dollars buying or inheriting 5+ year-old devices in order to test on a diversity of platforms.

2. Blink becomes available on iOS and Google continues use dark patterns to trick users into installing their browser. A small but non-trivial number of developers start assuming that everyone uses Blink/Chromium, and end users no longer have a choice of browser.

I’m sorry, I forget, isn’t the whole point about giving people a choice of browser? Because some people on Hacker News have some fairly dystopian blinders on and don’t actually care about user choice, they’re just lazy arseholes who don’t want to deal with an open web and resent having to test in more than one web browser.

Between these two alternative futures, I’ll pick number one every time, no hesitation. The open web is far more important to me than developer convenience.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Just change your language to English on your device and you have it. They did not really try.

If you're talking about Apple Intelligence that's also region locked and that's much more difficult to bypass. Device language has has nothing to do with it.

Where is apple intelligence blocked? I’m in Germany right now and it’s available as far as zu can tell.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Fully controlled and developed by Google. So what would Firefox (or anyone) gain by Firefox ditching their engine and helping Google?

I was suggesting Mozilla could help with the development. Firefox gains an engine that has a lot of other engineering hours being invested into it that can fulfill their needs.

Mozilla already has an engine with a lot of engineering hours invested in it and that fulfills their need.

How does helping Google maintain their dominance help Mozilla?

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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>and as we all know that'll be the end of the world. I'll enjoy seeing all the accounts on MacRumors clawing their eyes out when that happens. It would be naive to think that Apple isn't funding sites and narratives on the internet to serve their economic interests. One of the most outlandish one being that freedom to use your phone however you want would necessarily compromise security and privacy for everyone. It's…

>freedom to use your phone however you want would necessarily compromise security and privacy for everyone. For a large enough definition of "everyone", it would. "Everyone" has a Meta app installed. We've seen them pull evil tricks over and over to suck up data 24/7 - most recently running a local server on Android that their websites could talk to to bypass anonymization - and the moment a crack appears in the wall…

> Meta will say "go install the FB/Instagram app from our app store

This didn't happen even on Android. Why would it happen on iOS?

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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>and as we all know that'll be the end of the world. I'll enjoy seeing all the accounts on MacRumors clawing their eyes out when that happens. It would be naive to think that Apple isn't funding sites and narratives on the internet to serve their economic interests. One of the most outlandish one being that freedom to use your phone however you want would necessarily compromise security and privacy for everyone. It's…

On iOS, I can trust that pretty much everyone in my family won't download something silly that then creates a security hole in their devices. Not sure how you could guarantee that if you could load code post-review. What would be the point of the review, then? Wouldn't the App Store be littered with trojan horses in waiting?

> Wouldn't the App Store be littered with trojan horses in waiting?

It already is littered with outright scams, apps pretending to be other apps etc.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Apple doesn't instrument apps when they review them. That burden is already there, they've just convinced you otherwise.

I think it depends on the app and the entitlements. I would assume apps that request entitlements for system-level VPN apis are scrutinized more than calculators.

And Facebook spies on users and competitors for years despite all the "reviews": https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47281906

Apple doesn't review apps the way people think it does.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Everybody is talking about Chrome, but I tell ya what I have that disabled on my Android in favor of Firefox. Firefox on mobile with full-fat uBlock Origin is the closest thing to parity with desktop web access you can get. I don't just block ads, I block elements on sites I don't care about with :has-text RegEx rules. You can't do that on Chrome even on desktop anymore. I'm this close to swapping to the Android as m…

>It's just too dang nice to respond to chats from my Mac during work so I don't need to pick up my phone.

I've been doing this on Signal for years.

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