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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by HDThoreaun »

ancapsfascists wrote: post #98
seanw444 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I don't know why anyone thought Twitter would be a "bastion" of free speech. His history proves otherwise.

Hacker News fell for it, hook line and sinker. The number of people saying "give him a chance" and "he actually believes in free speech" dominated those who were like, "he'll probably just change who gets banned to be more in line with his personal beliefs."

We are not a monolith. I have many highly upvoted comments here pointing out that musks concept of free speech has always been half baked and would surely turn into “speech for me” once he’s actually running things.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by tryingtoawkgood »

EarlKing wrote: post #265
alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

Just so we're clear: You'll be totally in favor of maintaining the accounts of anyone who routinely posts the location of others, including yourself, right? Because that's not stalking at all... right?

Tail numbers and flight paths is publicly available information.

https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_info

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by PeterisP »

mywittyname wrote: post #85
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #8

Looks like he's sprinting towards the endgame of bankruptcy: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/13/technology/elon-musk-twit...

I'm guessing bankruptcy has always been the plan, but I never really understood why his financial backers would knowingly light a pile of money on fire. For oppressive governments, it seems easier to monitor & block activity on one major social media platform, rather than quashing twitter and dealing with the dozens of platforms that rise from the ashes. Maybe it's a megalomaniac dictator thing, and I will never unde…

The public data about the deal seems to indicate that backers wouldn't care as they have solid collateral from Musk personally in form of Tesla stock, so unless Tesla goes down as well, the Twitter deal will be profitable for them as all the losses are on Musk.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by nashashmi »

alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

He trashes people who trash talk his cars. Even if you happened to die while testing his auto pilot feature. Yeah. He will trash talk you while you are rolling in your grave thinking Elon was god. And then god comes to show you how amazing your god was.

He trashed talk a journalist immediately after the journalist complained he had to journey thru cold with out heater because his batteries would not last until the next charging point.

He trashed talk the short sellers.

He trashed talk the ones who supported the short sellers.

He trashed talk the ones who might as well be supporting the short sellers, e.g. sec aka shortseller enrichment commission aka security exchange commission.

He is a small guy with a oversized largely sensitive ego.

But most notoriously, he is a terrible public speaker. Like my public speaking teacher would be more ashamed at him than me.

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Post by yanderekko »

plorg wrote: post #298
yanderekko wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.

Steel manning really only works if you can assume the other person continues to argue in good faith. If the other person keeps moving the goalposts and demanding you construct a strong argument for their behavior they're just being abusive and I would suggest the best course of action is to leave.

Steelmanning requires the person you're talking to to be arguing in good faith, not the actual subjects of the narrative being steelmanned. The whole point of steelmanning is to grant those subjects good faith even if you personally think it's unwise, because the person you're talking to may disagree...

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by stefan_ »

minimaxir wrote: post #272
perihelions wrote: post #109

He's also posted internal Twitter screenshots, allegedly showing a VP was personally involved in @ElonJet moderation. (In the context of an earlier moderation action -- visibility filtering ("VF")). - "A screenshot of what he claimed was an internal Slack channel showed Ella Irwin, the person appointed to replace Yoel Roth as Twitter’s new head of trust and safety, asking a “Team” to “please apply heavy VF to @elonje…

It's worth noting that Twitter dissolved the Trust and Safety Council after that tweet was posted: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-disbands-trus... It's unclear if Ella Irwin still works at Twitter, but giving everything going on I strongly suspect there's no one to moderate against Elon personally banning an account he does not like.

She just got the role, why would she no longer work there? Presumably she was put there to enable this, after Yoel Roth abruptly left (and was subsequently defamed as a pedo by Elon, what's with the guy and pedophiles).

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Post by ohgodplsno »

potency wrote: post #218
ancapsfascists wrote: post #77

Good to see I'm vindicated in the prediction that Musk has zero interest in free speech, he only has interest in his narrative being dominant on Twitter.

He's also restored countless accounts that were banned under previous ownership. While banning ElonJet flys in the face of being a "free speech absolutist", he's certainly demonstrated that he's generally in favor of freer speech.

Ah yes, unbanning the lovely creator of Stormfront, while keeping leftist accounts banned.

Billionaires walk hand in hand with fascists. Nothing free speechey about it.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

fsoteras_xps wrote: post #296

Lets generalize the concept of ElonJet , are we ok for apps disclosing localization of anybody main vehicle? e.g.: the localization at any time of the day of your car? or let generalize more: your localization at any moment of the day or the localization of your underage son or daughter? For my case I wouldn't like that at all nonetheless the fact that I am totally unimportant, and I don't see people that frees that…

> your localization at any moment of the day

Your personal body is not an aircraft. Flying one is a privilidge and a safety risk, think 911. If you don't like it, don't fly it.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by coldtea »

yanderekko wrote: post #27
alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.

Are you asking for context and nuance?

What are you, a free thinker? Why not just joint he "Elon man bad" chorus?

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