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Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by lenkite »

Cederfjard wrote: post #139
sharken wrote: post #122

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Thus limiting those that are not vaccinated and making it difficult to move freely for them. The travel pass is a horrible idea, that effectively will force many to be vaccinated. That should not be the european way.

> Thus limiting those that are not vaccinated and making it difficult to move freely for them. > ... that effectively will force many to be vaccinated. Yup, that’s the point. No man is an island. You already can’t walk around doing literally whatever you want just because it’s your body you’re doing it with. You depend on other people, and other people depend on you (or at least can’t avoid intermingling with you, es…

My Body, My Choice went the way of the gutter I see.

My family is vaccinated, but I don't see why this should be forced on people. Anaphylaxis and Thrombosis are rare reported conditions after vaccination - some even causing deaths. Vaccination should be a choice.

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Post by krrrh »

michaelmrose wrote: post #118
mssundaram wrote: post #59

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They did this themselves. Fauci, CDC and WHO constantly have gone back and forth between each other and themselves.

Do you have any other examples other than saying very early that people needn't mask up and then reversing on that point?

Here’s a handful of reversals from the first half of 2020 alone. It wouldn’t be so bad if they didn’t speak with such certainty about things that are not in fact certain.

https://www.fumento.com/articles/erosion-of-trust-10-things-...

Fauci was also notoriously resistant to coming around on the evidence around aerosol spread.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by Closi »

unishark wrote: post #294
Closi wrote: post #283

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There is no universal right for citizens of one country to enter another country either, even within the EU (there have always been limitations based on considerations of public security, public policy and public health grounds).

Yes I do believe there is literally a right of free movement: https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/networks/europe... All rights have limitations of course.

You are right - I should have qualified “even within the EU it is not without restriction”.

https://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=457

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by krrrh »

ceejayoz wrote: post #309
tomp wrote: post #252

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Scientific approach requires you not to proclaim something as “true” if it’s likely that new information would change that. The 5-sigma approach used in physics is science. The “no evidence of human-to-human transmission” used by the WHO isn’t science.

> The “no evidence of human-to-human transmission” used by the WHO isn’t science. You've misquoted them, for starters. The actual quote is "no clear evidence", and they make it clear it's based on what data they had from China at that point. https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152 https://www.who.int/news/item/29-06-2020-covidtimeline Same day: > WHO held a press briefing during which it stated that, based…

You’ve quoted the WHO accurately which is actually more damning.

Taiwanese scientists had observed evidence of human-to-human transmission and submitted it to the WHO well before that and they ignored it. Positive evidence of human-to-human transmission had also been reported in Thailand.

See Zeynep Tufecki’s Account of the timeline from last April.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/...

> Hong Kong and Taiwan remembered that China has a history of covering up epidemics. In 2003, the world didn’t learn about SARS until after it had escaped China and become impossible to deny. (Back then, the WHO openly criticized China for its lack of transparency and cover-up, and we contained the epidemic just in the nick of time.) This time, the WHO was told the truth early on: Taiwanese health authorities sent their own medical teams to Wuhan in December. Those scientists confirmed human-to-human transmission—the most crucial piece of information for determining the difference between a local tragedy (if viruses are only jumping from infected bats or pangolins to humans in wildlife markets where people interact directly with them) and a brewing global pandemic. Taiwan isn’t allowed to be a member of the WHO, because of China’s objections, but it still informed the organization. Hong Kong health authorities, too, announced as early as January 4 that they suspected human-to-human transmission was already occurring, as they also looked at the evidence and their own contacts in Wuhan.

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Post by virgilp »

walterbell wrote: post #327
virgilp wrote: post #324

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I wouldn't bank on them extending "recovery" duration... they'll simply ask for proof of vaccination after those 180 days.

They cannot legally force/mandate vaccinations, and they repeat that statement throughout the docs. At most, they could insist that recovered people continue to get PCR tested: either you're negative and free to travel, or it will be a false positive, then you wait two (?) weeks and get a magical DHCP lease for 6-month "recovery certificate". That would equate to a PCR-test industry tax on travel, which opens up seve…

This is all speculation. We'll see soon enough how this all plays out - I was just expressing my doubt that any country will say "if you had COVID 3 years ago, you're free to travel". They might lift restrictions completely, but if they keep restrictions, I don't expect them to be lifted for people who had COVID really long ago. There will be other rules, but "had COVID more than 180 days ago" seems an unlikely one. That's all.

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Post by sharken »

spicybright wrote: post #246
hnthrowaway8493 wrote: post #230

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Read this: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/21/health/vaccine-nursing-ho... "An unvaccinated worker set off an outbreak at a U.S. nursing home where most residents were immunized." One vaccinated resident died.

I hate pay walls...

A more accessible link

https://www.businessinsider.com/kentucky-nursing-home-unvacc...

Some takeaways:

* Elderly, especially with underlying illnesses should be vaccinated.

* One vaccinated elderly person died, though there are not many details in the article.

* 90% or 74 out of 83 residents were vaccinated.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by walterbell »

virgilp wrote: post #335
walterbell wrote: post #327

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They cannot legally force/mandate vaccinations, and they repeat that statement throughout the docs. At most, they could insist that recovered people continue to get PCR tested: either you're negative and free to travel, or it will be a false positive, then you wait two (?) weeks and get a magical DHCP lease for 6-month "recovery certificate". That would equate to a PCR-test industry tax on travel, which opens up seve…

This is all speculation. We'll see soon enough how this all plays out - I was just expressing my doubt that any country will say "if you had COVID 3 years ago, you're free to travel". They might lift restrictions completely, but if they keep restrictions, I don't expect them to be lifted for people who had COVID really long ago. There will be other rules, but "had COVID more than 180 days ago" seems an unlikely one.…

There have been studies which claim that prior infection by SARS1 (2003) has conferred some immune protection against SARS2 (2020). That would be 17 years, not 180 days.

With billions of dollars at stake on multiple sides of proposed policy, there is sufficient financial incentive to study very closely the mechanisms of both natural and artificial immunity.

Policy makers can selectively highlight or ignore science, but not forever. In the US, some early policies were overturned by later court rulings, as data became available for lawsuits.

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Post by Thorrez »

withinboredom wrote: post #304
Thorrez wrote: post #271

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Interesting. But someone could break that law. So the law doesn't stop you from being stabbed.

The law doesn’t stop anything, at all. It just provides a framework for punishing people who break them.

Not entirely. There are people at the boarder searching some cars that come in, and searching some mail. Laws could be passed increasing those searches, and even searching everyone's house regularly. This would reduce the risk that you get shot, because some illegal guns would be found in these searches.

To take it to the extreme, the law could force you to live in a little cell locked away from everyone. This would prevent you from being stabbed by someone else (except one of the guards).

Like I said, there's a tradeoff between security and freedom.

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Post by hackflip »

glial wrote: post #296
oldgregg wrote: post #281

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I think Covid is definitely revealing how reality is largely a projection of whatever media/tech outlets you consume. In particular everyone physically isolated greatly magnifies the ability of the tech companies to manufacture a narrative environment ala McLuhan et al. Or, as many would say, covid is primarily a psyop by technocratic globalist elites to consolidate power.

> covid is primarily a psyop by technocratic globalist elites to consolidate power. I keep hearing this, but what power are they supposed to be consolidating, exactly?

I wouldn't claim it's a conspiracy, but lots of companies are benefiting from the lockdowns due to the lockdowns killing their competitors.

I'm not allowed to shop at most stores in my neighborhood at the moment, but I'm allowed to buy from Amazon. Until recently I wasn't allowed to buy non essentials from family owned stores deemed non essential, but Walmart was still allowed to sell them.

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Post by michaelmrose »

krrrh wrote: post #332
michaelmrose wrote: post #118

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Do you have any other examples other than saying very early that people needn't mask up and then reversing on that point?

Here’s a handful of reversals from the first half of 2020 alone. It wouldn’t be so bad if they didn’t speak with such certainty about things that are not in fact certain. https://www.fumento.com/articles/erosion-of-trust-10-things-... Fauci was also notoriously resistant to coming around on the evidence around aerosol spread.

Michael Fumento author of "The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS: How a Tragedy Has Been Distorted by the Media and Partisan Politics"

He's been wrong about a lot of things and its usually most evident after the fact but I'm sure THIS time he is prescient instead of completely full of it unlike with every other major issue he's taken a stand on.

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