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Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by oldgregg »

walterbell wrote: post #119

For those in the EU, the upcoming travel pass will cover three categories of people: vaccinated, PCR-tested negative, and recovered (i.e. positive antibody test of immunity), https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/all-your-questions-on-... > For travellers who have recovered from the virus: date of the positive test result, an issuer of the certificate, date of issuance, validity date The bureaucratic stumbling block…

I think Covid is definitely revealing how reality is largely a projection of whatever media/tech outlets you consume. In particular everyone physically isolated greatly magnifies the ability of the tech companies to manufacture a narrative environment ala McLuhan et al. Or, as many would say, covid is primarily a psyop by technocratic globalist elites to consolidate power.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by Closi »

unishark wrote: post #191
sjf wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am going to assume you are American by the reference to liberty. Every US immigrant is /already/ required to have eight different vaccinations and a negative TB test. They quite literally take your blood before you can become a resident. https://www.uscis.gov/tools/designated-civil-surgeons/vaccin...

There is no universal right to immigrate to the US, or anywhere else generally, so immigrants can be subject to whatever requirements the local govt decides at any given time. The discussion here was about a supposed "free travel" zone where citizens of member countries are giving up much of their autonomy in return for travel and trade freedoms. But this kind of arguments are precisely the point when it comes to con…

There is no universal right for citizens of one country to enter another country either, even within the EU (there have always been limitations based on considerations of public security, public policy and public health grounds).

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by mygoodaccount »

thwarted wrote: post #261
kofddfjdfdfdff wrote: post #257

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Mandating medical interventions is pretty much taking away someone's liberties. And your opinions about other people's opinions are also irrelevant as an argument.

Are you daft? I'm not offering what I think of other people's opinions as an argument about vaccination. I'm responding to your assertion that there is actually valuable debate to be had with rubes whose only argument is "I don't like being told what to do".

> Are you daft?

This style of dialogue is not welcome here. Try Reddit.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by Thiez »

tsimionescu wrote: post #206
T-hawk wrote: post #154

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It's not deadly to the vaccinated. That's the whole point of the vaccines. Or are you arguing that the vaccines don't work?

This isn't some theoretical scenario - we have plenty of experience with other infectious diseases. People choosing not to be vaccinated creates opportunities for the disease to spread and either infect those who can't be vaccinated (young children, immunocompromised people etc), or gives the disease opportunities to mutate and evade the vaccine in the future. Your right to not be vaccinated does not trump public hea…

I think people should get vaccinated, but 'think of the children' is not a strong argument since they seem to be at very low risk of becoming seriously ill or death compared to every other age category.

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Post by hanselot »

aww_dang wrote: post #234
hanselot wrote: post #208

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Because he is paid to shill that view. Want proof? Go say the same thing somewhere else, on another public forum, you will get the same script (variations of it).

Even if this were true, the accusation only derails the conversation. We are attempting to discuss the topic. Dismissing the speaker out of hand because he sounds a certain way isn't helpful. Similarly, dismissing an article because it "sounds like conspiracy theory" isn't helpful. There's a bit irony there.

Why are you arguing with that rock?

Well, we can't dismiss it's arguments purely based on its appearance, we must assume each rock to have agency and a valid point of view.

How does a spam filter know which records are spam? Is it that it understands the inherent complexities of language, or perhaps it just learned that certain types of things resemble each other?

I wonder.

inb4 - Why bayesian spam filters are racist.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by tsimionescu »

Thiez wrote: post #285
tsimionescu wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't some theoretical scenario - we have plenty of experience with other infectious diseases. People choosing not to be vaccinated creates opportunities for the disease to spread and either infect those who can't be vaccinated (young children, immunocompromised people etc), or gives the disease opportunities to mutate and evade the vaccine in the future. Your right to not be vaccinated does not trump public hea…

I think people should get vaccinated, but 'think of the children' is not a strong argument since they seem to be at very low risk of becoming seriously ill or death compared to every other age category.

I was discussing in a more general context of vaccination rights/obligations, even though for the particular case of Covid19 you are right.

Note however that we still don't know exactly what long-term consequences Covid19 may have, so even with this, if we can avoid infecting young children, we should.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by hanselot »

murkt wrote: post #225
hanselot wrote: post #208

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Because he is paid to shill that view. Want proof? Go say the same thing somewhere else, on another public forum, you will get the same script (variations of it).

I am paid for expressing my opinion? How very nice of someone. Please wire me my moneys, haven’t received them yet!

Its much cheaper to pay someone in the form of controversy, so they can virtue signal in public that they belong to tribe X, and that way they think it was their own idea.

In your case, this would be, "Look at me, I have a unique perspective that just happens to align with what my tribe's think-tank has assigned for this topic".

That is, if it is not just a pure monetary compensation, which I believe to be more likely, given how similar this shilling is to the shilling on 4chan.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by prepend »

kofddfjdfdfdff wrote: post #280
prepend wrote: post #273

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Hobbes lays out a mixture of natural/God aspects and society negotiated aspects. But I think they all boil down to an ongoing slow shift of what society accepts as a whole. I think society has opinions and ideas that evolve into ethics and morals that are represented in laws. It’s not a secret. In this case, rights are curtailed to require vaccines. This is deemed acceptable. If you don’t like it, convince your count…

Why do you say it is "deemed acceptable", if there is an ongoing discussion about it?

Yes, certainly. The ongoing discussion is going on right now, we’re part of it as a very small amount of two strangers talking. I think it’s usually informal, but sometimes through debates, books, essays, etc. A good example are the Federalist Papers in the 18th century with back and forth on topics that ended up being articulated in the constitution, bill of rights, etc.

I think it also varies from country to country as it varies quite a bit.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by maxerickson »

hboon wrote: post #110
maxerickson wrote: post #85

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but they are getting infected with Covid (which isn't so great). The US approved vaccines (so far) appear to be pretty good at preventing infection compared to lots of vaccines. There's an obvious level of (incomplete) protection present in the population at 50% vaccination. Cases aren't falling because we are getting more careful (but then the nicer weather could be helping).

FWIW, Singapore uses Pfzer-BioNTech and Moderna. There's a scary situation happening here now for the last 2 weeks or so. There has been new clusters popping up after having been relatively tame for a few months and safety measures have been tightened (slightly, but obviously) again. Some of these cases involve those that has been vaccinated. One lesson that we can learn from this is, coming from a city that is marke…

Looks like vaccination is around 20% there? With not that many people having acquired immunity from infection.

The US is close to 50%, with another good chunk of people with immunity from infection and our cases are dropping a good deal. The season changing is going to be some of it, but cases are dropping even as activities increase.

I'm not saying it is done, as much as anything because we need billions of doses of vaccine still, but there is lots of reason to be pretty hopeful.

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