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Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by lazyjones »

bserge wrote: post #223
walterbell wrote: post #119

For those in the EU, the upcoming travel pass will cover three categories of people: vaccinated, PCR-tested negative, and recovered (i.e. positive antibody test of immunity), https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/all-your-questions-on-... > For travellers who have recovered from the virus: date of the positive test result, an issuer of the certificate, date of issuance, validity date The bureaucratic stumbling block…

Sometimes I think I'm living in a parallel universe. I know people who travel regularly and no one says anything to them. No quarantine, nothing. Most people on the streets here in Germany give zero fucks, groups of 5-10, no masks (even though there's a curfew between 10pm-5am due to an increase in cases). And I traveled all the way from Moldova to Germany by car. No one, and I mean no one ever asked for a Covid test…

When was that?

I traveled in the opposite direction (more or less: Vienna to Bucarest) more than 3 months ago and wasn't asked either, but on the Hungary-Romania border, they put me in a tiny room (1/3 shipping container or so) with ca. 10 people and gave me quarantine papers. They didn't check bags.

I'm pretty sure they'd check for a test or vaccination now on the way back, I'm not eager to find out and will stay here in the Covid exile for a little longer.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by account42 »

sjf wrote: post #152
chrisco255 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Liberty. It's a terrible a precedent to restrict freedom of movement on a forced personal health decision. It's basically subverting your body to the state.

I am going to assume you are American by the reference to liberty. Every US immigrant is /already/ required to have eight different vaccinations and a negative TB test. They quite literally take your blood before you can become a resident. https://www.uscis.gov/tools/designated-civil-surgeons/vaccin...

Immigration is usually a much higher bar than travel.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by p49k »

kofddfjdfdfdff wrote: post #277
p49k wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all it’s entirely false that it’s just “sick and old” people affected; there are also children and young adults with immune disorders who can live somewhat normal lives today because of minor sacrifices from others such as vaccinations. Secondly, sick and old people are also human beings who deserve consideration. We mandate that people take all kinds of minor risks in life; that’s always been part of being…

There is a nonzero risk to the vaccination. I really don't understand why you consider the plight of the people who can't get vaccinated, and dismiss the plight of the people who die or come down with severe disabilities from the vaccination.

The mental disease of many anti-intellectuals and conspiracy theorists is the inability or refusal to understand scale and proportion; it's the single source of an enormous amount of flawed logic.

Scale and proportion is the reason. 7 per 1,000,000 risk of blood clotting if you are a woman between 18-49 (and basically no risk if you're a man or outside that range, or use one of the vaccines that have not shown this risk). This is on the level of shark attacks and getting hit by lightning. Actually getting COVID has more serious risks and a much higher rate of being affected by them.

We regularly ask of citizens to do things that have a 7 per 1,000,000 risk of injury; it's a reasonable ask.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by unishark »

Closi wrote: post #283
unishark wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no universal right to immigrate to the US, or anywhere else generally, so immigrants can be subject to whatever requirements the local govt decides at any given time. The discussion here was about a supposed "free travel" zone where citizens of member countries are giving up much of their autonomy in return for travel and trade freedoms. But this kind of arguments are precisely the point when it comes to con…

There is no universal right for citizens of one country to enter another country either, even within the EU (there have always been limitations based on considerations of public security, public policy and public health grounds).

Yes I do believe there is literally a right of free movement:

https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/networks/europe...

All rights have limitations of course.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by kofddfjdfdfdff »

p49k wrote: post #293
kofddfjdfdfdff wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a nonzero risk to the vaccination. I really don't understand why you consider the plight of the people who can't get vaccinated, and dismiss the plight of the people who die or come down with severe disabilities from the vaccination.

The mental disease of many anti-intellectuals and conspiracy theorists is the inability or refusal to understand scale and proportion; it's the single source of an enormous amount of flawed logic. Scale and proportion is the reason. 7 per 1,000,000 risk of blood clotting if you are a woman between 18-49 (and basically no risk if you're a man or outside that range, or use one of the vaccines that have not shown this r…

Your comparison does not make sense, though. The question is, how many people who are not at risk from the disease do you have to vaccinate, and how many people are there who can not be vaccinated and would contract Covid-19. Let's say with your numbers there are thousands of (young) people who die from the vaccination. How many people who can't be vaccinated would die if those young people would not get the vaccination?

What other risky things to we ask citizens to do, exactly? People certainly choose to do other risky things. But how many are mandated?

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by glial »

oldgregg wrote: post #281
walterbell wrote: post #119

For those in the EU, the upcoming travel pass will cover three categories of people: vaccinated, PCR-tested negative, and recovered (i.e. positive antibody test of immunity), https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/all-your-questions-on-... > For travellers who have recovered from the virus: date of the positive test result, an issuer of the certificate, date of issuance, validity date The bureaucratic stumbling block…

I think Covid is definitely revealing how reality is largely a projection of whatever media/tech outlets you consume. In particular everyone physically isolated greatly magnifies the ability of the tech companies to manufacture a narrative environment ala McLuhan et al. Or, as many would say, covid is primarily a psyop by technocratic globalist elites to consolidate power.

> covid is primarily a psyop by technocratic globalist elites to consolidate power.

I keep hearing this, but what power are they supposed to be consolidating, exactly?

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by p49k »

kofddfjdfdfdff wrote: post #295
p49k wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The mental disease of many anti-intellectuals and conspiracy theorists is the inability or refusal to understand scale and proportion; it's the single source of an enormous amount of flawed logic. Scale and proportion is the reason. 7 per 1,000,000 risk of blood clotting if you are a woman between 18-49 (and basically no risk if you're a man or outside that range, or use one of the vaccines that have not shown this r…

Your comparison does not make sense, though. The question is, how many people who are not at risk from the disease do you have to vaccinate, and how many people are there who can not be vaccinated and would contract Covid-19. Let's say with your numbers there are thousands of (young) people who die from the vaccination. How many people who can't be vaccinated would die if those young people would not get the vaccinat…

Even if we're only talking about 18-29, there have been 2,100 deaths from COVID in that age group in the US already. Even in the most generous interpretation, that means that it would be at least 10 times as dangerous for someone in that age group not to get vaccinated than it would to be vaccinated. The numbers are so blatantly obviously in favor of having everyone vaccinated.

Anyway, I'm done feeding a troll account created today.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by johncearls »

sjf wrote: post #152
chrisco255 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Liberty. It's a terrible a precedent to restrict freedom of movement on a forced personal health decision. It's basically subverting your body to the state.

I am going to assume you are American by the reference to liberty. Every US immigrant is /already/ required to have eight different vaccinations and a negative TB test. They quite literally take your blood before you can become a resident. https://www.uscis.gov/tools/designated-civil-surgeons/vaccin...

Are any of those vaccines being distributed under an emergency use authorization without FDA approval?

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by seoaeu »

maxerickson wrote: post #37
seoaeu wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Testing for immunity could easily cost more than the vaccine. Also most people haven't caught it yet, so you'd need to give them the vaccine anyways.

The antibody tests are like $5.

I was guessing higher than that, but even that price isn't wildly out of line with the prices that governments are paying for vaccines (between $2 and $40 per dose).

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by jessriedel »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #92
jessriedel wrote: post #35

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The discussion is improved by having sources for key claims linked directly here. I'm glad the question was asked, especially since it was done so politely.

I worked on COVID epidemiology last year for a couple governments, so I am more familiar with the literature than most people. I don’t expect people to be as familiar as I am. However, the bane of my existence the last year have been people with strong opinions on “the science” on both sides that use “citation please” as a passive aggressive dismissal from a position of ignorance, and will promptly ignore any citatio…

Thanks. I have a lot of sympathy, but a productive discussions requires an assumption of good faith. It's of course true that there are forums where every honest-looking question is really nefarious, but the solution then is to not participate in those forums. Mocking others isn't appropriate in this forum, regardless of what the other person's motives appear to be.
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