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Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by stopadvertising »

irrational wrote: post #4

Honestly, as soon as Google announces a new product, my first thought is to wonder how long until it is shut down. Google has completely lost my trust in relying on any of their products. Even when they come out and claim that this product will not be cancelled, for reals this time, pinky promise, etc. I simply can't believe them.

The reception to stadia has been very critical, it seems like it was rushed out and half-assed. It's bizarre to see such poor execution and polish on a major launch like this from Google, that was the one thing they used to nail consistently.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by spuz »

ben_jones wrote: post #186
adamzapasnik wrote: post #123

Very surprised of general negative sentiment towards Stadia. Why is it like this? Because it's Google, the evil company? Seriously, if any startup launched it in its current state, people would be cheering and blaming it on a new tech/new challenges. But cause it's a very big corporation with top talent it means that they have to release top quality product every time? What the hell... I'm very excited about the proj…

When Stadia announced I think the general consensus was cautiously optimistic. They promised a lot, 4k game streaming on any device - seemingly anywhere in the world. A lot of people familiar with the challenges were especially skeptical. But the marketing kept going with its promises. Now it comes out and many of these fears are validated - it only really works in tightly controlled situations with very specific typ…

> Google tried to force this into a viral success on day 1 and that's not going to happen.

What do you mean by this? What is the difference between a big marketing campaign from a large company and a campaign "forced to go viral on day 1"?

I've not seen any of the advertising for Stadia so I'm probably out of the loop here.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by coldpie »

abawany wrote: post #297
ryanmercer wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And another solitary tear from the other eye for Google Inbox :,( To be fair, Gmail has been my primary email since early 2009 and I'd never even heard of Inbox until people on Leo Laporte's podcast started whining it was going away.

I am surprised to hear this because I OTOH thought Google's attempts to corral people into Inbox when it came out were obnoxious. The app notifications, the Play Store nudges, etc. I tried it since I got the impression from the nudges that maybe Gmail was going to get knifed; I hated it and went back to Gmail.

Yeah, that's how I found out about Inbox, and switched to it away from Gmail on my phone. Then they killed it and I'm back to Gmail. I learned my lesson and ignored the notifications begging me to try Duo instead of Hangouts. Now Duo is dead (hooray, I dodged a bullet) and I guess they're killing Hangouts for no reason.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by baq »

zerocrates wrote: post #215

"Google kills all their products" is a bit of an overused meme trotted out at any launch... But for Stadia it's a pretty legitimate concern, I'd say. The model where you're still "buying" the games ties you to the ongoing operation of the service much more strongly than in many of their services where an eventual migration might be a little painful, but it's still possible. The counterargument would be that they've d…

if you think about it, it isn't that much different from steam, there's an offline mode there and gabe promised a way out if they ever go out of business, but the concern isn't completely remediated by either. the only sure way to have your games working in the future is - unsurprisingly and unfortunately - to crack your copies.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by Havoc »

arcturus17 wrote: post #234

I really don’t get the hate... I’m reading that in general UX is pretty good. I only have a Switch so haven’t been able to play RDR2 or AC Odissey... The solution seems perfect for me given the price point and I’m seriously considering picking it up. When I worked for Nintendo we broadly called the segment I’m in “lapsed gamer” and it’s actually a pretty big niche... What I read between the lines is that people are p…

>I really don’t get the hate...

Not really hate but more people are so dazed by google's "product" zigzagging that it's hard to take it seriously anymore. Google managed to induce massive amounts of cynicism in their users.

e.g. Remember Google+? The thing that got shut down? Couple weeks ago I get a corporate email saying please update your profile pic on google+.

1. I thought it's dead.

2. What profile? Did you guys create a profile for me on a dead product?

3. Or did they keep the corporate version alive?

4. What about google currents? Google+ pages? Different things? Same thing but renamed?

I don't bloody know. And no I'm not updating my profile pic dear HR. Google will kill it in 3 months time and/or launch 2 clones or relaunch it with a lick of paint anyway.

It's the same with all their other stuff too. Their chat thing I use every day? It's got 3 different interfaces with different functionality and I don't even know what it's currently called. Hangouts? Meet? Google Chat?

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by robofanatic »

rchaud wrote: post #110
tempsy wrote: post #38

What is going on with Google? I used to think Google had the best product team in the world. In some ways I thought they defined what modern product management is/was. Now I have no clue what they are thinking with their product launches as of late. All of their products (and marketing) invoke this conservative, risk-adverse blandness that tries to appeal to everyone and in turn appeals to no one.

A "product" is something people pay for. Nobody pays directly for Gmail or Youtube, or most of Google's well known "products". That fundamentally distorts their incentive to develop and release improvements according to what the customer wants, because customer satisfaction or loyalty isn't the KPI, it's the growth rate of new customers. Get them through the door by any means necessary and suck up all their data. If…

> Nobody pays directly for Gmail or Youtube, or most of Google's well known "products".

Paying ISPs for internet access and on top of that paying for accessing a particular web app? It's too much IMO.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by adambyrtek »

sjs382 wrote: post #292
monocasa wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does one provide migration paths when Google owns the data, licenses, etc. on their servers? Just one of many ways that Service as a Software Substitute reduces user freedom.

Google will provide you with downloads your data for a lot of their projects: https://takeout.google.com/

Sure but how would that work for Stadia?

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by rchaud »

soneca wrote: post #128
rchaud wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A "product" is something people pay for. Nobody pays directly for Gmail or Youtube, or most of Google's well known "products". That fundamentally distorts their incentive to develop and release improvements according to what the customer wants, because customer satisfaction or loyalty isn't the KPI, it's the growth rate of new customers. Get them through the door by any means necessary and suck up all their data. If…

A lot of people pay directly for Gmail in the form of Google Apps for business. YouTube also launched a subscription model, although I have no idea if the number of paying users is relevant

Google Apps for Business will stick around, I have little doubt about that. Not because it's a paid product line, but because the underlying free product is used by hundreds of millions of people for mission-critical tasks (email, schoolwork, office work etc).

Same goes for Google Analytics and Tag Manager, which offers an incredible set of features for free, even though their is a paid Analytics 360 tier.

How many users would it take for Stadia to achieve that kind of critical mass? Gaming is not as sticky as email or collaborative document editing. So if the critical mass is not reached, I'd expect them to discontinue it.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by jefftk »

inetknght wrote: post #166
shadowgovt wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW though, setting up a mail server is difficult. Setting up a mail client with reasonable spam filtering to make email usable is also difficult. Compare the list of steps on either of those tasks to the list for getting email via Gmail: "1) Sign up to a Google account, 2) visit gmail.com"; it's obvious almost all users are going to do the latter (or its equivalent at a Google competitor).

Setting up a mail server isn't difficult. It's about as easy as installing and configuring a web server, and just about as technical. Email has been around for decades. The fact that Gmail, Yahoo, Hotmail, and many paid services have had one-click email addresses for twenty-plus years should demonstrate that it's not difficult . Businesses just don't want to make it easy for lay people to do it.

I've run a mail server, and still help out with one, and getting consistent deliverability is hard. We've wanted to move to another hosting service for years, but the only reason we're doing ok right now is that our dedicated IP has a solid history and we just can't give that up in a migration.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by smolder »

40acres wrote: post #174

I understand the cynicism of this community to Stadia but implore you all to think a little broader. Stadia is different, with this product Google is trying something really innovative. For one, the fact that Stadia actually costs money should be a signal of Google's long term ambition here. Yes, Fiber also cost money but was bogged down by the hell that is infrastructure development. Stadia will require a substantia…

Moving every last thing people do with computers into the cloud so their activities can be thoroughly data mined is innovative?
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