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Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by uncletaco »

itg wrote: post #48
fjabre wrote: post #25

Google’s different brands remind me of MSFT of the early 2000s. No rhyme or reason. More chaos and throwing spaghetti at the wall. No issues changing or deprecating APIs and products like this on a whim. They certainly dont inspire trust in anything but their flagship brands like Gmail that have been with us for decades.

From what I hear, this is due to the promo driven culture at Google. You can good reviews/promos based on new products that get pushed to market, nobody cares about maintenance at Google.

I heard that Facebook and Google collect engineers and let them do whatever because its better than them being productive at a competitor.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by kissickas »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #69
robbrown451 wrote: post #51

Sorry, but pet peeve. Shutdown is not a verb. (should be "shut down") http://notaverb.com/shutdown

Sure it is. And I'd rather take it from Merriam-Webster than someone's belabored "notaverb.com" hobby horse. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shutdown First known use of shut down as verb: 1779. If your issue is merely with the lack of a space, then it just seems petty to me, like getting technical about raincoat vs rain coat.

The number of words matters. It's a pretty common pattern.

noun: Can you share your login?

verb: Check the URL before you log in.

noun: Is that a turnoff for you?

verb: Turn off the TV when you leave the room.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by MaximumMadness »

I appreciate the sentiment here, but this feels incredibly reactive and preliminary.

Stadia should have more clearly set launch expectations: there are only a few games worth playing for, most of the cool cloud features aren't there, etc, etc

But that doesn't mean all of those things aren't coming? For all intents and purposes, this was a soft launch. Sure Google is going to burn a ton of consumers by launching before the true value-adds are there, but it doesn't mean that one-day Stadia won't be worth buying.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by dathinab »

inetknght wrote: post #39
fjabre wrote: post #25

Google’s different brands remind me of MSFT of the early 2000s. No rhyme or reason. More chaos and throwing spaghetti at the wall. No issues changing or deprecating APIs and products like this on a whim. They certainly dont inspire trust in anything but their flagship brands like Gmail that have been with us for decades.

> They certainly dont inspire trust in anything but their flagship brands like Gmail that have been with us for decades. Even Gmail is a giant blob of garbage.

> Even Gmail is a giant blob of garbage.

Sadly from a UX point of view I can't disagree. Google inbox (and other products) showed how the UX for mail clients can be tremendously improved. But they shut it down and only migrated some of the more irrelevant features. IMHO the UX of gmail is so bad that I wonder if they want to phase out email altogether.

This doesn't even include some of the thing inbox (and maybe gmail, idk) supported wrt. metadata and live updates and now is discontinued "because it's no longer needed with dynamic amp pages". Just that amp kinda misses the whole point of email :( .

I really want to write my own client. But I know it's way to much work to get to the point where it's nice _and_ that is pointless if the people sending mails will stop including thinks like json-ld sections in mail. Really sad, as that had a lot more potential then the amp * they want to ship now.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by inetknght »

leoh wrote: post #56
inetknght wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They certainly dont inspire trust in anything but their flagship brands like Gmail that have been with us for decades. Even Gmail is a giant blob of garbage.

What?

Google has a vested interest in reading your email. Google lets users think that setting up a mail server is difficult, that email is a dead end communication medium compared to walled gardens, and that phishing is difficult to combat effectively.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by hombre_fatal »

kupiakos wrote: post #89
hombre_fatal wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure it is. And I'd rather take it from Merriam-Webster than someone's belabored "notaverb.com" hobby horse. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shutdown First known use of shut down as verb: 1779. If your issue is merely with the lack of a space, then it just seems petty to me, like getting technical about raincoat vs rain coat.

I'm unsure what you mean - they said that there should be a space there and Merriam-Webster seems to support that. They put "shut down" and "shutdown" in the same page, and state that the verb version is "shut down". In the "First Known Use" section, it looks like it's just going with what the name of the whole page is.

They added the parenthetical "it should be 'shut down'" in an edit.

Originally it was just "Sorry, but pet peeve. Shutdown is not a verb." and I gave them the benefit of the doubt that they weren't just quibbling over a space.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by kllrnohj »

username90 wrote: post #83
kllrnohj wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also note that many who play for example COD does it on TV's and consoles which has hundreds of ms already without people noticing it This is just straight up not true in the slightest. There's a reason HDMI ALLM exists, and it's not because "nobody notices hundreds of ms." 80ms is very noticeable, it's like moving around in sludge. hundreds of ms is straight up unplayable. This is no where close to what consoles &…

I didn't say that specific people didn't notice it, just that a most people are surprised if you tell them that they have hundreds of ms latency when they play on their console because they thought it was practically instant because their brains tricked them. The fact that console gaming is so popular despite it having such horrendous latency is proof that latency is not an issue for streaming services to go mainstre…

> just that a most people are surprised if you tell them that they have hundreds of ms latency when they play on their console

They're surprised because that's absolutely not even remotely close to true. Consoles & TVs do not have hundreds of ms of latency. This horrendous latency does not exist. That's why it's not an issue.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by radium3d »

I have zero interest in Stadia personally and I would consider myself a gamer. I just feel like I want less latency and video over internet doesn't seem like it's going to catch up with a 4-6ft video cable direct to my monitor / TV.

If Stadia is successful I can see it being a way to pay for new data centers for Google's cloud infrastructure.

If you consider that most consoles last a 4-5 years, they cost ~$299-500 over that period, that's ~$39-$125 per year for the generation. Instead of the users owning the machine locally, Google installs a consoles worth of power in a data center. Once the generation is over, the data center is still there and Google has put all that money into a semi-new server datacenter infrastructure that can be rolled into Google's Cloud service offerings. "Kids" / Gaming money then pays for "Adults" / Cloud Server infrastructure. The idea sounds great as long as there are enough gamers who don't mind the latency.

I am unfamiliar with the lifespan of a Google data center but I imagine it's around 5+ years.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by swinglock »

_ph_ wrote: post #76
bandrami wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You kids today. We would play Quake over a serial line back in the day. Uphill both ways. And we liked it.

When playing Quake over the net, the connection only has to synchronize the players positions etc. And Quake was pretty clever extrapolating the players motions, so even when packets were slow, they seemed to behave naturally. This frequently caused them to jump, when the positions were updated by real data. With Stadia, the whole gaming graphics are streamed to your local client, so when the network is slow, the gra…

QuakeWorld did. They original was not so clever about networking. Much like streaming games.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by rchaud »

tempsy wrote: post #38

What is going on with Google? I used to think Google had the best product team in the world. In some ways I thought they defined what modern product management is/was. Now I have no clue what they are thinking with their product launches as of late. All of their products (and marketing) invoke this conservative, risk-adverse blandness that tries to appeal to everyone and in turn appeals to no one.

A "product" is something people pay for. Nobody pays directly for Gmail or Youtube, or most of Google's well known "products".

That fundamentally distorts their incentive to develop and release improvements according to what the customer wants, because customer satisfaction or loyalty isn't the KPI, it's the growth rate of new customers.

Get them through the door by any means necessary and suck up all their data. If a customer leaves the service, who cares? Their data has already been profiled for better ad targeting.

They might have left Stadia, but they're still very much in the Google-verse of search, Youtube or Android.

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