When will Google shut down Stadia? • Hacker News Board

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by officeplant » Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 5:51 PM UTC

rurp wrote: post #161

marricks wrote: post #112

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I wonder about the damage Google does to any potential start ups in a field. How much buzz can you get when everyone’s first thought is “how could this be any good? Google already tried that and failed...”

I don't know, Google has failed at all kinds of products that other companies have achieved massive success with. This includes some really ubiquitous tools like a social network (Google+) or messaging apps (too many to list). I think at this point most people assume a failed project from Google has more to do with the company than the concept itself.

Sad thing was google+ and the control it offered was nice. The tech communities on G+ were wonderful but for the average person they were just too entrenched in facebooks ever growing social iron fist.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by hyperdimension » Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 5:51 PM UTC

fluidcruft wrote: post #241

rurp wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know, Google has failed at all kinds of products that other companies have achieved massive success with. This includes some really ubiquitous tools like a social network (Google+) or messaging apps (too many to list). I think at this point most people assume a failed project from Google has more to do with the company than the concept itself.

A few days ago I was researching a bug I was seeing using with xfce on chrome remote desktop. Apparently this was thoroughly solved in someone's Google+ post that everyone linked to. All I can see now is the Google+ termination notice. Thanks, Google.

Check the Internet Archive. I want to say they grabbed a copy of all the Google+ posts, but I might be wrong.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet » Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 5:51 PM UTC

inetknght wrote: post #206

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #176

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Phishing is difficult to combat effectively. Part of the problem is technological in that we never adopted a way of verifying senders are who they claim to be, but a large part of it is that humans are really good at fooling other humans, at least enough of the time to cause trouble. Ironically, it is the technical problem of verification that makes it difficult to run (not setup) a mailserver: no one wants to trust…

> Part of the problem is technological in that we never adopted a way of verifying senders are who they claim to be, but a large part of it is that humans are really good at fooling other humans, at least enough of the time to cause trouble. Tell me more about how DKIM and SPF and TLS with client certificates don't verify senders.

I didn't say they didn't, I said we haven't adopted a way of verifying senders. If DKIM, SPF, and TLS were universal, it would be a solved issue, but they aren't for a whole lot of reasons.

P.S.: However, come to think of it, they don't. You can receive a perfectly legit and verified email from scammer@consrus.ru with the name displayed as "Mr. Your CEO".

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by monocasa » Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 5:52 PM UTC

iamsb wrote: post #88

A good model will be to start working on a new startup with a competing product as soon as google launches something. In couple of years when they shut down, provide migration paths. Swim in $$$.

How does one provide migration paths when Google owns the data, licenses, etc. on their servers?

Just one of many ways that Service as a Software Substitute reduces user freedom.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by thekyle » Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 5:52 PM UTC

DevKoala wrote: post #134

Stadia will stay. Google needs this to happen since they need one more revenue stream. There is no way it gets shut down. All of the other products that Google was quick to cancel didn’t represent long term key businesses for Google. To shut down Stadia would be akin to shut down their self driving division. Microsoft lost billions with the Xbox before it was profitable and the brand stablished itself in the market.…

Google+ didn't represent a long term key business for Google? From what I've heard the general attitude at Google for a while was that Google+ was the future of the company.

That's why they integrated it into everything that they could (YouTube, Drive, GMail) and shut down any service that might remotely compete with it (Reader, Wave).

If Google could kill Google+ then they can kill this.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by xeromal » Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 5:53 PM UTC

arcticfox wrote: post #117

roland35 wrote: post #14

This makes me shed a solitary tear for Google Reader :'( And another solitary tear from the other eye for Google Inbox :,(

I set up my whole company's communication on Google Wave. RIP Slack, FWIW, is actually quite a bit like Wave was. I feel like if Google didn't screw the launch up so badly, and iterated on the product, they could have had Slack about 5 years before it actually existed.

Your post got me to go through my emails to find my Google Wave invitation for a nostalgia rush

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by monocasa » Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 5:53 PM UTC

fjabre wrote: post #25

Google’s different brands remind me of MSFT of the early 2000s. No rhyme or reason. More chaos and throwing spaghetti at the wall. No issues changing or deprecating APIs and products like this on a whim. They certainly dont inspire trust in anything but their flagship brands like Gmail that have been with us for decades.

Stadia .net 2003.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by zwischenzug » Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 5:53 PM UTC

hogFeast wrote: post #243

tempsy wrote: post #38

What is going on with Google? I used to think Google had the best product team in the world. In some ways I thought they defined what modern product management is/was. Now I have no clue what they are thinking with their product launches as of late. All of their products (and marketing) invoke this conservative, risk-adverse blandness that tries to appeal to everyone and in turn appeals to no one.

The view of Google within tech (oh, but the interviews are so hard...everyone who works there is a genius) is quite opposed to the view of Google without. They are quite poorly run. You have this huge monopoly product that is locked up super-voting shares. The people in possession of those shares appear to have no management ability or even interest (or just ability in the case of Larry Page). There is no oversight.…

Big banks

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by specialp » Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 5:54 PM UTC

pytester wrote: post #261

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #222

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"No traction" for a Google product just means it's not the next Search or Gmail. It doesn't mean that zero people use it. Thousands or millions of people used Hangouts, Google Reader, Google Code, or Picasa - they'd have been considered big YC successes. If big YC companies all got shut down if they failed to turn into another letter in the FAANG acronym, maybe people would become reluctant to use services from YC co…

>Thousands or millions of people used Hangouts, Google Reader, Google Code, or Picasa - they'd have been considered big YC successes. Other than google reader I doubt any of these would have gotten traction at all without big g behind them.

They wouldn't have true but that isn't the point. The point here is that Google is willing to kill products that are successful by all other metrics and burn the users because it just isn't enough for them. They are acting like a startup but not putting in the dedication or caring enough about more modest gains that a start-up would do.

So if Google is going to launch something under the Google brand they either have to be happier with things that aren't making 10s of billions, or not make so many efforts and burning their users/customers/devs at every step. Why as someone downstream do I want to dedicate my time and money to their product when they've shown that unless it becomes a massive success it will be folded?

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by eternalny1 » Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 5:55 PM UTC

40acres wrote: post #174

I understand the cynicism of this community to Stadia but implore you all to think a little broader. Stadia is different, with this product Google is trying something really innovative. For one, the fact that Stadia actually costs money should be a signal of Google's long term ambition here. Yes, Fiber also cost money but was bogged down by the hell that is infrastructure development. Stadia will require a substantia…

My concern for Stadia revolves around Microsoft's upcoming offering.

Apparently, Microsoft is simply going to rack-mount XBox hardware and stream it that way, which means the entire XBox library is instantly compatible.

For Stadia, games have to be modified specifically for it and their Linux configuration, which limits what games are announced for the platform, and requires engineering effort.