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Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by wendyshu »

financltravsty wrote: post #267
wendyshu wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they're treated like garbage, why don't they quit?

Ask that to an Amazon warehouse or a 3rd world factory worker. Quit and do what? Starve? Become homeless? Destroy the little of what is left of your family's stability? Lose access to treatment of your health condition(s)? Die? Perhaps if there was some way to survive in this world without relying on a greater force to put a roof over your head and bread on your table, then anyone could quit without being compelled t…

Quit and work somewhere else

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by Hikikomori »

xkbarkar wrote: post #155

Lawsuit is about the state telling postnord a mail delivery company, to not deliver licence plates in some weitd sympathy action. Tesla won the suit and the licence plates have to be delivered. https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/Mo0V85/tesla-far-ut-sin...

Tesla sued Transportstyrelsen, not the postal service, the state is not telling Postnord not to deliver, its the union. They won an interim injunction likely arguing that their business would be hurt short term. The other side has not been heard yet and there's been no judgement.

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Post by user_named »

wendyshu wrote: post #236
larsnystrom wrote: post #60

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I have zero insight into how Tesla workers are treated here in Sweden, but it’s important to note that Sweden doesn’t even have a minimum wage law (it has been directly opposing such rules on an EU-level as well) because this should be negotiated between workers (unions) and employers. If Tesla continues to operate in Sweden without a collective agreement this model will break down.

Why?

He just told you.

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Post by codersfocus »

InCityDreams wrote: post #247
pw378 wrote: post #198

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Striking is one thing, but targeting an individual company is another. They are not striking, they are selectively denying a critical service to force submission. It is not hard to imagine scenarios where this is weaponized with horrifying outcomes.

"It is not hard to imagine scenarios where this is weaponized with horrifying outcomes." Well, it is for me to imagine - could you expand on "horrifying"? The Mirriam W definitions don't seem to make sense when used in your particular context.

“I’m a fireman. I don’t like you, so I’ll stand here while the fire burns you and your house.”

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Post by user_named »

tmikaeld wrote: post #79

What if Tesla just pulled out of the country? Who's worst off? Sweden: - Loss of jobs, I don't know how many. (But the workers would prob. be quite bitter, they earned more with Tesla shops than standard shops) - May be bad for Swedish investments, since a union deal would now be mandatory. - Less electric cars, less good for the environment. - € ~100M/year in tax lost from sales. Tesla: - Loosing € ~350M/year (10K S…

There would be no loss of jobs and no loss of taxes

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Post by Hikikomori »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #302
tuukkah wrote: post #290

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At least some Tesla workers do want the collective agreement (without it, they have little protection against the whims of Elon).

> without it, they have little protection against the whims of Elon What stops them from quitting at any time, or not working for him to begin with?

Nothing. Just like nothing stops the ones that do want a collection agreement as they work for Tesla and have join the union. There's no requirement for a majority wanting it or not.

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Post by itsyaboi »

Hikikomori wrote: post #239
tmikaeld wrote: post #144

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If the company is no longer a legal entity in the country any more, I think it would be very hard to sue for it or get anything out of it.

So you can just do some illegal stuff and then leave the market and there's no repercussions?

If no law __enforcement__ occurs then yes, there are no repercussions.

How are laws enforced internationally?

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Post by Hikikomori »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #310
samcal wrote: post #296

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This is just how labor unions roll in the Nordic countries. McDonalds learned this in Denmark [1]. The sooner Tesla realizes they need to negotiate labor contracts through the unions to operate in Sweden, the more money they can make. [1]: https://mattbruenig.com/2021/09/20/when-mcdonalds-came-to-de...

The two situations have an obvious difference. It's hard for McDonalds to sell Big Macs in a country without McDonalds restaurants in it. It's not hard for a car company to move production to a different country; that happens all the time. So pulling out entirely is a much more realistic option for a car company than a restaurant, and as a result the car company has more leverage and both sides know it. And they can…

Tesla doesn't make anything in Sweden. Their workforce is mostly mechanics working at car service centers. What the unions can do is make it very hard for Tesla to operate in Sweden. They cannot hire other companies to perform something for them, no electricians to repair charging stations, no cleaning services, cannot source any parts for cars there, etc. They can of course hire people directly to do these things and likely pay a premium to be able to attract people and get the things they need from other countries and use their own drivers to get that to Sweden.

Sympathy strikes might spread to the other Nordic countries and maybe even Germany, where they are already fighting IG Metall. Then the federation of Nordic transport unions have proclaimed their support for IF Metall, so Tesla might be unable to get anything shipped in these countries.

Or they could just sign the agreement that sets basic minimum requirements which supposedly they already exceed.

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Post by codersfocus »

orwin wrote: post #124
renlo wrote: post #98

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> because it will have to respect warranties How? If they leave how can a fine be levied against them? EU?

Yes, sorry i wasn't clear, but consumer protection laws spawns across all EU (i think it's more than that, even Switzerland is in that agreement), so if Tesla do not respect Swedish warranties, Tesla would be at risk in the whole EU. And Eu is not the US. Some young people might like and follow Musk and his venture a lot, but most people just do not care about him, and when it comes to consumer laws, EU do not joke a…

EU sucks ass for consumer protection. I bought an overengineered EU designed electric plug adapter in Paris. It wouldn’t work without applying 10kg of force to insert my charger, which it broke doing so.

Store wouldn’t offer a refund only replacement. Only got a refund after I made the clerk test the replacement which also had the same issue.

Same happened with floss that was the thickness of shoelace. Tried to return but Monoprix wouldn’t take it.

In the US, stores take back anything and if they don’t it’s a credit card chargeback away (which I would have done for the electric plug if they didn’t refund me.)

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