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Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Honest question: Why are you using arrow keys for coding?

If you’re going to suggest vim bindings, fine, I get it; but the act of moving a cursor around to insert, remove, replace, or otherwise refactor parts of code is pretty essential to my workflow and I can’t imagine how someone wouldn’t need it. I use structural editing shortcuts quite a bit, but not 100% of the time.

I'd guess that people who aren't mac-native don't realize how well the various arrow and option/ctrl/command/shift combinations work for editing.

Or, uh, did. Before, y'know, they stopped providing a T-shaped arrow panel.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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> whichever idiot thought putting the power plug at the bottom of the Magic Mouse was a good idea. For those not familiar with the Apple Mouse, the commenter means that the power plug is on the part that you’re supposed to have on the mousepad, meaning you can’t charge it while using it, at all. Easily the worst way to design a mouse, ever. I don’t understand how it was approved.

I use the Apple Mouse on a daily basis. This criticism is blown way out of proportion. I agree that it's a very ridiculous placement, but do you have a better idea where it should be placed? IMO, this is the best option given the constraints. The usual ridicule is that you can't use it when it's charging. To me, it's a non-issue at all: - When the battery drops to a low level (4% I think?), you will see a notificatio…

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Gaming-Mic...

I use this mouse with my desktop PC. It's got a port in the front to connect via USB to charge while allowing the user to use the mouse. Furthermore it supports wireless charging.

I'm shocked Apple thought putting it at the bottom was a good design decision.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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> The docs don't seem to disagree with me. You said "You plug the Pencil into the iPad to pair it. It comes with an adapter that you use to charge it with a regular cable." As a response to the parent, your comment makes sense only if you meant to imply: "you're not supposed to plug it to charge it, only to pair it". But if you meant to imply that as the right way to do things as according to Apple, you're wrong. App…

Say you are tasked with writing something that can be done 2 different ways. Both have the same end-result. In one way there's a single step. In the other way, there's 2 steps and it involves another piece of equipment. How might you write the documentation on how to do that thing? Personally, I'd go with two sentences. The first that describes how to do the thing in one step. The latter, how to also do it in two ste…

>Say you are tasked with writing something that can be done 2 different ways. Both have the same end-result.

That's my whole argument. That Apple presents it as 2 different equally good ways to achieve the same end result (and even mentions the pencil-protruding-dangerously way first and the second way as an aside).

In case you've lost context, I made the point to answer the parent commenter, who said that "the pencil-protruding-dangerously" is not a problem, because you're meant to charge the Pencil the cable-extension way in the first place (and sticking it directly to the iPad is just needed once at first to "pair it").

Well, my point is, if that's "how you're meant" to do it, (a) nobody told Apple, (b) Apple themselves suggested this fact to no one, and in fact went on to recommend the "just stick it" way as (a) equally good as the other, (b) first.

>Personally, I'd go with two sentences.

This is only OK if you assume both ways are equally safe and good. Which is my whole point: that Apple assumes that, and presents them as such -- when in fact they are not.

As for how I'd do it: "You can charge your Pencil with the provided cable adapter. In an immediate need, you can also just stick it on your iPad, but be careful, it's a brain damaged way, and it's easy to snap the egde that way".

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Do you feel like the design of the 2nd generation Pencil for the 3rd generation iPad is _better_? Personally I don't like moving from Lightning to a more-proprietary non-standard magnetic interface. I think the first generation Pencil has a much better design in this regard, since now we have it working with the standard iPad and iPad Air. But, I think the design of the first generation Pencil is pretty good, so I'm…

> Do you feel like the design of the 2nd generation Pencil for the 3rd generation iPad is _better_? Yeah, very much so. Both the charging and also the better grip. > Personally I don't like moving from Lightning to a more-proprietary non-standard magnetic interface. That's a non issue with the Apple Pencil, because it's already a proprietary product itself, inherently tied to the iPad. It's not like it's a cross-prod…

No arguments here on the grip, that's clearly a win.

It _is_ cross product insofar as it's on the iPad, iPad Air, and iPad Pro. This is pretty useful for me and my partner since we can simply share a single Pencil since neither of us rely too much on it. But that's just an exception case, I'm sure.

Lightning is proprietary, but very common. I've got a half dozen Lightning cables lying around. If I want to pair the Pencil to a new device, I simply plug it into the Lightning interface and it's ready to go.

I was trying to think of a better phrase than what I used "more-proprietary", since both are at 100% proprietary that doesn't come across how I intend.

Basically I strongly dislike these weird interfaces that we're putting on the iPad -- the one for the keyboard wasn't great, and the addition of the one for the Pencil also doesn't feel great. But, if that's the direction that best serves the function provided then I suppose it's fine. My hope then is that we get those to move down to the lower-end devices (as we've seen with the Air getting the keyboard cover).

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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The fact that there's well over 250+ comments and growing here alone, shows just what a sh*tshow this keyboard is. I was in the market for a new laptop, but the feel of these just turned me off. So I got a 'new' used laptop off of craigslist.

Coupled to this, I've had a number of friends (three so far) with issues. One had Apple not only replace their keyboard but looking over the bill of work - replaced the MB and some other components. All because their "e" key didn't work?... They were covered, so no costs - except not having their work computer for the couple of days.

The fact (for me ;-) ) that chromebooks have better feelings keyboards ought to be a wake up call.

It really seems like there's no one in charge of late, and perhaps a single a-hole demanding stuff work/clean design/simple is more needed than ever before.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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I just came back to a MacBook Pro 2018 after several years of experimenting with Windows machines. Based on this thread I am outlier – I enjoy using the trackpad, touch strip, and the keyboard seems fine. In the past five years I have used the following; Thinkpad x230, Thinkpad X1 carbon, Thinkpad x370 yoga, Thinkpad X1 Yoga, Surface Pro 3,4,5, Surface Laptop, Surface Book 1,2, and a hackintosh Thinkpad X230. I was a…

I have a 2016 MBP and love the keyboard. I've never had any problems with it. That's not to dismiss people who have experienced quality issues. I don't mind the touch bar, but it's not particularly useful.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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It’s not just the keyboard, either. I’ve been buying Macs since they switched to Intel in 2006 and the most recent MacBook Pros are the most problematic I’ve ever had. - Bluetooth seems to be fundamentally flawed at a hardware level. AirPods, Plantronics, doesn’t matter. It just randomly connects and disconnects as it pleases. - USB-C dongles are a minefield of poor functionality However, I’ve run Linux off and on si…

The whole selling point of Macs - the lack of need to 'tune'. Yet I even had to do this with my 2014 model - otherwise, the laptop would run hot to the touch. It is troubling to see the trend happening.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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I'm no fan of macs despite the fact I have to use one for work and I own a mini personally, but come on - you literally don't have to eat over a computer. How does that even work? You take a bite and chew while typing? Take 5 minutes and finish your meal somewhere else.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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It’s not just the keyboard, either. I’ve been buying Macs since they switched to Intel in 2006 and the most recent MacBook Pros are the most problematic I’ve ever had. - Bluetooth seems to be fundamentally flawed at a hardware level. AirPods, Plantronics, doesn’t matter. It just randomly connects and disconnects as it pleases. - USB-C dongles are a minefield of poor functionality However, I’ve run Linux off and on si…

> I’m glad to hear desktop Linux works for some people, but I just don’t have time to a.) tune and configure it to work and have decent battery life with whatever hardware I choose So you are comparing a finely tuned OS for a specific hardware to using linux with whatever hardware you throw at it? Why don't you just pick a specific hardware that works with linux well e.g. thinkpads?

But does it really? I’m using Xubuntu on two different Thinkpads, an old T420 and a pretty recent T580.

On both, I have the same awful problems with waking up the laptop after it went to sleep mode (when closing the lid). It will wake up at first, allow me to enter the password in the screen locker, then screen goes black and that’s it. Have to reboot then, losing all unsaved data. Google search shows, plenty of people out there with the same problem, but the only “solution” seems to be “oh, just disable screen locking”.

So if Thinkpads are the known-good choice for Linux... then I don’t want to know how it behaves on other laptops...

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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post #199

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Native iOS development (for almost a decade now, jesus), and I've yet to find a touchpad that feels as good (tell me another to go try and I promise I will, although I'm sure it'll be tough to overcome my own muscle memory/bias).

As for the touchpad, those of us with ThinkPads just use the TrackPoint, which is (IMO) better than any touchpad. Off-brand TrackPoint-esque pointing sticks (on Dells or HPs) are usually absolute junk and go to maximum speed no matter how lightly you push it. The touchpad has the advantage of being immediately intuitive, but after a little work on an old ThinkPad (an X220 from eBay is about $130 shipped) you’ll proba…

> As for the touchpad, those of us with ThinkPads just use the TrackPoint

Our standard-issue work laptop is a thinkpad, and I find the trackpoint super annoying. It's good for quickly adjusting the cursor while typing (which you can do just fine using the keyboard), but awful for moving long distances or scrolling (lack of inertial scrolling).

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