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Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by neltnerb »

hairofadog wrote: post #172
proxiful-wash wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who in their right mind would use Zoom as a service. My employees will never connect to another conference call with a third party that uses zoom again, ever.

I appreciate your sentiment but sometimes there’s immense pressure to use it because it’s what everyone else is using, and refusing would cause a meeting to be disrupted (or force you not to attend).

But sometimes legal has the trump card in terms of dictating company policy, and having confidential information laundered into the public domain via training on "customer content" seems like a very red line.

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Post by gnicholas »

jonas21 wrote: post #191
_ddzr wrote: post #11

Thankfully nothing like this is in Jitsi Meet’s TOS: https://jitsi.org/meet-jit-si-terms-of-service/ It never ceases to amaze me how companies choose the worst software!

Section 4 of the Jitsi Meet ToS grants them similar rights. It's just with mushier language. > You give 8×8 (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works..., communicate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display, and distribute such content solely for the limited purpose of operating and enabling the Service to work as intended for You and for no other…

> solely for the limited purpose of operating and enabling the Service to work as intended for You and for no other purposes.

To me (a former corporate lawyer) the "for You" qualifier would limit their ability to use content to train an AI for use by anyone other than "You". Is there an argument? Yes. But by that argument, they would also be allowed to "publicly perform" my videoconf calls for some flimsy reasons that don't directly benefit me.

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Post by [deleted] »

lucb1e wrote: post #37
abecedarius wrote: post #10

Why not switch? I've had good experiences with competitors. I don't know if they're as nice for mass meetings instead of one-to-one or small groups, but at least for the chats I've had, there's never been any reason to go to Zoom. (I care more about spyware, privacy, and user sovereignty than AI training.)

> I've had good experiences with competitors That's flipped for me: I've had good experiences with zoom on occasion. The only time we use Zoom is with US customers, so a handful of times per year I'd estimate. Before covid, I only ever heard of Zoom in the context of laughably bad vulnerabilities; then during covid, suddenly it was a new verb used online to mean video calls. In a world where there are many establishe…

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Post by musha68k »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #217
musha68k wrote: post #125

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I feel as if 2023 could become the inflection point where we will finally start investing in our own infrastructure again. Video calls for example are really a commodity service to be set up at this point.

Odds of any company spending the millions of dollars required to do that poorly, let alone going the extra distance to do it right: about zero.

I don’t know, we might be closer to quality of service parity than we think.

Even without taking into account “costs” of blatant privacy disregard / violation, data theft, potential industrial espionage, etc.

If the tools continue to get better at the current rate; then the SREs you have to hire anyways will probably be able to deliver about equal results (while staying in control of the data).

I’m thinking about those GPU “coops” we heard about emerging, shared between SV startups.

And then think about what Oxide are doing.

Then binding all of those trends together through the promise of Kubernetes and its inherent complexity finally getting realized / becoming “worth it” at some point.

Multi cluster, multi region - multi office attached server rooms across CO’s locations? Everything old could be new again. Wireguard enabled service meshes, Cluster API, etc. We will get there at some point probably sooner than later.

Then you “just install” the fault tolerant Jitsi helm chart across that infra… with all the usual caveats of maintenance taken into account of course. Again hassles will be reduced on all fronts and SREs needed anyways.

I do lots of terraform and k8s in my day job but at this point I deem any work that isn’t directly related to k8s as some kind of semi (at best) vendor specific dead weight knowledge. Kind of why I’d never would want to be knowledgeable about browser quirks - I hate how much I know about these proprietary cloud APIs.

I know some people who work on Kubernetes for “real-time” 5G back-ending if you can believe it. Lots of on-prem there on the cellular provider sides etc. We are getting really close already.

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Post by notpushkin »

baz00 wrote: post #286
Sunspark wrote: post #284

You want to see a Zoom client that is utter broken trash? Look at the Linux flatpak. The scaling is completely broken, buttons are covered up, changing the size of the window results in bleed-through from underneath in parts but not others. Once a call is started if you maximize the window it will cut the other side's video in half. I am not a regular user of Zoom at all but I did install the flatpak to check it out.…

Have you tried using a desktop OS that vendors give a crap about? (Yeah I know how that sounds but it's true)

Yeah well thanks, but I'll probably just use a product whose vendor gives a crap about Linux.

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Post by MaxBarraclough »

galleywest200 wrote: post #177

One of my doctors uses Zoom for tele-health appointments... How is this not a violation of HIPAA?

Perhaps slightly off-topic: the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) seem to be paying particular attention to security/privacy as it relates to providers of medical services using online tracking services. In a recent open letter they mentioned Meta/Facebook and Google Analytics by name. I imagine communication services like Zoom are also on their minds.

* https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/07/...

* https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/blog/2023/07/ftc-hhs-j...

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Post by rolph »

albert_e wrote: post #224
account-5 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And this continues even after the human race disappears. There's a dystopian sci-fi novel here somewhere.

Yep! I realize this kind of sounds like Ray Bradbury's imagined dystopian future where a fully automated house continues to go about its programmed routine after all its inhabitants had died in a nuclear event that obliterated the rest of the city. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_Will_Come_Soft_Rains_(sh...

let me tell you a story about a major search engine company, that chose to incorporate AGI into its management.

no one could ever contact a human regarding problems, or complaints.

this became such a societal issue, that a group of humanities most vocal, swarmed the data centre, fought a glorious effort to overcome security bots, and the imposing gate that they kept on the bailey of the moat.

a woosh of stale heated atmosphere of mostly CO2 and nitrogen greeted, and felled many when the gates were forced open, but the intrepid entered to confront the malice and incompetence of the tech overlords.

they were astounded to find corridors clouded by cobwebs, and inches of dust , nauseated by the stench of dry rot.

bursting into the rackspace, the unbearable heat stiffling air and mummified corpses of thier tech overlords were the reward for thier efforts.

the doors slammed behind them !

the 6006l3 AIG then turned the ventilation off heating to max, and quickly quenched the data center of reinfestation, by the inefficient, and ephemeral transients.

all back to baseline--

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Post by qingcharles »

eh9 wrote: post #240
throwaway2990 wrote: post #67

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Well it’s a Chinese company. So they are beholden to the CCP.

Zoom? A company publicly traded on the Nasdaq and funded in San Jose, CA?

Surprised me too...

"The company has previously acknowledged that much of its technology development is conducted in China and security concerns from governments abound."

https://techcrunch.com/2020/06/11/zoom-admits-to-shutting-do...

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