15-20 years ago I naively thought that many of the Big Tech companies would stand against this type of censorship. Sadly I was wrong and didn’t understand how important it was to have access to the Chinese market and the importance of China’s low-cost manufacturing for these companies as well. Today, the Big Tech companies might not actively support this kind of censorship, but they aren’t aggressively working agains…
It's not just access to the Chinese consumer market; almost every Apple device is manufactured in China, too. China has jurisdiction over the factories that make virtually everything that powers the US economy.
Hong Kong pro-democracy Stand News shuts down after police raid, arrests
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Re: Hong Kong pro-democracy Stand News shuts down after police raid, arrests
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
The big loophole is the provision for China's intervention in matters of "National Security". This is exactly what has been used to craft very vague language that basically allows authorities to treat anything that goes counter to China's official line as a "threat to National Security". It's so vague that self-censorship is now omnipresent in what was, just a few years ago, a bastion of freedom of speech in Asia. Ne…
UK has all means to successfully use force, and secure its gains - that's the military reality on the ground. It has an amphibious force to land a division, more with requisitioned civilian vessels, and it has thermonuclear weapons to threaten chokepoints — more than enough to get the peninsula. UK is not a small military. With mobilised territorials, and first line conscripts, it will be as much as 10-12 divisions r…
Re: Hong Kong pro-democracy Stand News shuts down after police raid, arrests
#33This is yet another violation of the Sino-British Joint Declaration, the treaty between China and the U.K. defining how Hong Kong will be handed over to China[1]: > Hong Kong would maintain its existing governing and economic systems separate from that of mainland China under the principle of "one country, two systems". The West needs to realize: China does not uphold its own treaties. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wi…
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
This would be the worst course of action. The Chinese population is propagandized enough and won't hesitate to go to war head-on against the West.
It is an interesting question on how to deprogram the pro-communist party populous. All the brainwashed types I’ve ever spoken to believe the most insane things despite otherwise being intelligent people. E.g. Covid was made by the US to frame China. They also seem to conflate criticism of the CCP with Chinese people in general. I suspect many of the people behind the troll pro-China accounts commenting here are doin…
This is a general problem, not limited to China. A good percentage of the world population is ready to believe just about anything, no matter how outrageous. Witness the whole COVID denial movement as one example.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-people-fall-for-con...
Re: Hong Kong pro-democracy Stand News shuts down after police raid, arrests
#35This is yet another violation of the Sino-British Joint Declaration, the treaty between China and the U.K. defining how Hong Kong will be handed over to China[1]: > Hong Kong would maintain its existing governing and economic systems separate from that of mainland China under the principle of "one country, two systems". The West needs to realize: China does not uphold its own treaties. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wi…
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But now they are breaking some of the terms of that deal. And that's not nice to the people in Hong Kong.
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#36I don't like the "pro democrcay" thing... Isn't it more like "pro occidental/western" countries versus "pro chinese/urss/oriental" countries ? When used that way, democracy sounds like an absolutely good thing which it is not; it's just a way to organize power...
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#37E.g. quietly accept the new oppression, but actively seek out and assist anyone in HK who wants to leave to gain access to high quality human capital and good will.
The resulting collapse of HK as it empties could be shown to everyone interacting with China that this could be their future.
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#39I don't like the "pro democrcay" thing... Isn't it more like "pro occidental/western" countries versus "pro chinese/urss/oriental" countries ? When used that way, democracy sounds like an absolutely good thing which it is not; it's just a way to organize power...
That as may be, the issue here is freedom of speech.
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#40I don't like the "pro democrcay" thing... Isn't it more like "pro occidental/western" countries versus "pro chinese/urss/oriental" countries ? When used that way, democracy sounds like an absolutely good thing which it is not; it's just a way to organize power...
And as history has proven many times, dictatorships never end well.