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Hong Kong pro-democracy Stand News shuts down after police raid, arrests

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15-20 years ago I naively thought that many of the Big Tech companies would stand against this type of censorship. Sadly I was wrong and didn’t understand how important it was to have access to the Chinese market and the importance of China’s low-cost manufacturing for these companies as well. Today, the Big Tech companies might not actively support this kind of censorship, but they aren’t aggressively working agains…

It's not just access to the Chinese consumer market; almost every Apple device is manufactured in China, too. China has jurisdiction over the factories that make virtually everything that powers the US economy.

As time goes by it’s going to become clearer and clearer that selling out western manufacturing to exploit cheap Chinese labour - a project endorsed and embraced by both major parties in Washington - was the single worst decision in the history of liberal democracy. It’s hollowed out both middle America and the American middle class, and instead of bringing democracy to China as Neo-liberals predicted, it’s instead enabled and is leading to the hegemony of the largest and most powerful totalitarian regime mankind’s ever known.

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The big loophole is the provision for China's intervention in matters of "National Security". This is exactly what has been used to craft very vague language that basically allows authorities to treat anything that goes counter to China's official line as a "threat to National Security". It's so vague that self-censorship is now omnipresent in what was, just a few years ago, a bastion of freedom of speech in Asia. Ne…

UK has all means to successfully use force, and secure its gains - that's the military reality on the ground. It has an amphibious force to land a division, more with requisitioned civilian vessels, and it has thermonuclear weapons to threaten chokepoints — more than enough to get the peninsula. UK is not a small military. With mobilised territorials, and first line conscripts, it will be as much as 10-12 divisions r…

You must be joking?! UK to retake HK by force?

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This is yet another violation of the Sino-British Joint Declaration, the treaty between China and the U.K. defining how Hong Kong will be handed over to China[1]: > Hong Kong would maintain its existing governing and economic systems separate from that of mainland China under the principle of "one country, two systems". The West needs to realize: China does not uphold its own treaties. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wi…

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This would be the worst course of action. The Chinese population is propagandized enough and won't hesitate to go to war head-on against the West.

It is an interesting question on how to deprogram the pro-communist party populous. All the brainwashed types I’ve ever spoken to believe the most insane things despite otherwise being intelligent people. E.g. Covid was made by the US to frame China. They also seem to conflate criticism of the CCP with Chinese people in general. I suspect many of the people behind the troll pro-China accounts commenting here are doin…

> All the brainwashed types I’ve ever spoken to believe the most insane things despite otherwise being intelligent people.

This is a general problem, not limited to China. A good percentage of the world population is ready to believe just about anything, no matter how outrageous. Witness the whole COVID denial movement as one example.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-people-fall-for-con...

Re: Hong Kong pro-democracy Stand News shuts down after police raid, arrests

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This is yet another violation of the Sino-British Joint Declaration, the treaty between China and the U.K. defining how Hong Kong will be handed over to China[1]: > Hong Kong would maintain its existing governing and economic systems separate from that of mainland China under the principle of "one country, two systems". The West needs to realize: China does not uphold its own treaties. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wi…

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Sure: they made a deal.

But now they are breaking some of the terms of that deal. And that's not nice to the people in Hong Kong.

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I don't like the "pro democrcay" thing... Isn't it more like "pro occidental/western" countries versus "pro chinese/urss/oriental" countries ? When used that way, democracy sounds like an absolutely good thing which it is not; it's just a way to organize power...

That as may be, the issue here is freedom of speech.

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In Judo one uses the momentum of the aggressor against them, and I wonder if the west could do something analogous in this situation.

E.g. quietly accept the new oppression, but actively seek out and assist anyone in HK who wants to leave to gain access to high quality human capital and good will.

The resulting collapse of HK as it empties could be shown to everyone interacting with China that this could be their future.

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Hong Kong is over. It is quickly becoming a real-estate grab for mainland Chinese. It won't be long before this incredibly rich and deeply unique culture will die off. It really is quite sad. I don't think there is anything that can be done. These people can fight for their rights, but they won't get any help and it will only ruin their lives. Western media will praise these fighters of justice, but will not do anything to help.

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I don't like the "pro democrcay" thing... Isn't it more like "pro occidental/western" countries versus "pro chinese/urss/oriental" countries ? When used that way, democracy sounds like an absolutely good thing which it is not; it's just a way to organize power...

That as may be, the issue here is freedom of speech.

Exactly. And freedom of speech is very important in a democracy, and unwanted in a dictatorship.

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I don't like the "pro democrcay" thing... Isn't it more like "pro occidental/western" countries versus "pro chinese/urss/oriental" countries ? When used that way, democracy sounds like an absolutely good thing which it is not; it's just a way to organize power...

A country can either have a democracy or a dictatorship. Unless you know a 3rd option, I would love to hear it.

And as history has proven many times, dictatorships never end well.

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