Hong Kong pro-democracy Stand News shuts down after police raid, arrests

Post by sneak » Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 1:11 PM UTC

barney54 wrote: post #7

15-20 years ago I naively thought that many of the Big Tech companies would stand against this type of censorship. Sadly I was wrong and didn’t understand how important it was to have access to the Chinese market and the importance of China’s low-cost manufacturing for these companies as well. Today, the Big Tech companies might not actively support this kind of censorship, but they aren’t aggressively working agains…

Post by hypertele-Xii » Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 1:13 PM UTC

baybal2 wrote: post #18

throwawayHK wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big loophole is the provision for China's intervention in matters of "National Security". This is exactly what has been used to craft very vague language that basically allows authorities to treat anything that goes counter to China's official line as a "threat to National Security". It's so vague that self-censorship is now omnipresent in what was, just a few years ago, a bastion of freedom of speech in Asia. Ne…

UK has all means to successfully use force, and secure its gains - that's the military reality on the ground. It has an amphibious force to land a division, more with requisitioned civilian vessels, and it has thermonuclear weapons to threaten chokepoints — more than enough to get the peninsula. UK is not a small military. With mobilised territorials, and first line conscripts, it will be as much as 10-12 divisions r…

Post by EGreg » Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 1:13 PM UTC

bigbillheck wrote: post #14

octopoc wrote: post #9

This is yet another violation of the Sino-British Joint Declaration, the treaty between China and the U.K. defining how Hong Kong will be handed over to China[1]: > Hong Kong would maintain its existing governing and economic systems separate from that of mainland China under the principle of "one country, two systems". The West needs to realize: China does not uphold its own treaties. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wi…

> The West needs to realize: China does not uphold its own treaties Does any major power?

Post by cameronh90 » Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 1:19 PM UTC

throwawayHK wrote: post #17

octopoc wrote: post #9

This is yet another violation of the Sino-British Joint Declaration, the treaty between China and the U.K. defining how Hong Kong will be handed over to China[1]: > Hong Kong would maintain its existing governing and economic systems separate from that of mainland China under the principle of "one country, two systems". The West needs to realize: China does not uphold its own treaties. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wi…

The big loophole is the provision for China's intervention in matters of "National Security". This is exactly what has been used to craft very vague language that basically allows authorities to treat anything that goes counter to China's official line as a "threat to National Security". It's so vague that self-censorship is now omnipresent in what was, just a few years ago, a bastion of freedom of speech in Asia. Ne…

Post by jacquesm » Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 1:23 PM UTC

baybal2 wrote: post #18

throwawayHK wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big loophole is the provision for China's intervention in matters of "National Security". This is exactly what has been used to craft very vague language that basically allows authorities to treat anything that goes counter to China's official line as a "threat to National Security". It's so vague that self-censorship is now omnipresent in what was, just a few years ago, a bastion of freedom of speech in Asia. Ne…

UK has all means to successfully use force, and secure its gains - that's the military reality on the ground. It has an amphibious force to land a division, more with requisitioned civilian vessels, and it has thermonuclear weapons to threaten chokepoints — more than enough to get the peninsula. UK is not a small military. With mobilised territorials, and first line conscripts, it will be as much as 10-12 divisions r…