Ugh. I'm so sick of this shit. Why can't we just own the car if we buy it? I was actually researching a model 3 recently, now I have to go scratch it off the list.
You do own the car. You just don't own the service.
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#32While I don’t believe any of this is acceptable, I understand the supercharger disable for salvage title vehicles. Tesla has no idea what damage has been done to the battery pack and how they were or were not repaired. If the car catches fire while supercharging then Tesla is the one in the news, not the company that rebuilt the car. Battery safety and compliance testing is going to be a big industry in the next deca…
They don't allow Supercharging in the case where they've had a good close look at the battery: meaning all warranties are voided and Supercharging is disabled, even after the repaired vehicle passes a high-voltage inspection by Tesla’s own repair staff.
Yes, and I still understand why Tesla does that. The stresses a battery undergoes during supercharging are incredible and, as far as I am aware, there is no fool proof way to make sure things are in good enough condition. Tesla is relying on the initial construction of the battery pack for supercharging safety - it only takes one cell with damage to overheat and cause a cascade to nearby cells. The Model 3 has 4,416 of them.
To an extent, it even makes sense for FSD. If you're going to take on that much risk and liability, you don't want to rely on other people.
We need new frameworks to handle this kind of stuff.
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#33As I understand, The FSD package (and I guess the performance package too) is linked to the car, not your account. It doesn't follow you from car to car. Then, what is the justification of Telsa's " you did not pay for it" given to second hand owners as seen in this article? This is really disingenuous and in total contradiction with Musk's "your car is an appreciating asset".
On the lastest earnings call someone asked Musk if FSD could stay with the owner as they moved to new cars. He paused and thought about it and said "we'll look into it". So there's hope.
"We'll look into it" is a corporate non-answer at best, and a no realistically.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure. But isn't that every company that has every sold a product? I mean, they aren't giving it away.
There is a belief running around that Tesla should act like a charity instead of a business while trying to claw its way up to a volume automaker. Software sales are high margin compared to physical auto sales. Tesla is free to do whatever is supported by contract law as it relates to software licensing, including stripping licenses off vehicles when transfers (like trade ins) done through Tesla (versus a private tra…
They don't need to act like a charity and nobody expects them to. They should decide if the features are a purchase or not, if they are why are they taking them back? If they're not, why are they selling them like purchases?
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#35Full self driving seems like an app. I think it would be okay to deactivate, but shouldn’t be included in the resale value of the car. Assume over time the capability becomes tuned to the driver, in that case it wouldn’t be the same as transferring it over.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure. But isn't that every company that has every sold a product? I mean, they aren't giving it away.
There is a belief running around that Tesla should act like a charity instead of a business while trying to claw its way up to a volume automaker. Software sales are high margin compared to physical auto sales. Tesla is free to do whatever is supported by contract law as it relates to software licensing, including stripping licenses off vehicles when transfers (like trade ins) done through Tesla (versus a private tra…
I don't think this is specific to Tesla at all. I think it's more that people are waking up to the fact that they no longer own the things they buy. We've seen the same discussions take place recently around ebook and music libraries disappearing or being non-transferable.
Personally I believe that the current licensing situation may be good for company profits, but presents a net negative for society. As a result I'm always happy when I see it being discussed rather than simply accepted as "the way things are".
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm wondering how the Cybertruck will care on that front. Aren't other Tesla models pretty awful on the repairability front? I bet there's a market niche for what you're describing
Afaik the bad repairability of Tesla is mostly down to the lack of parts. You cannot just order parts from Tesla, you need to be an approved shop and even then it sometimes takes months for basic things like a bumpers or fenders to be delivered.
I'm not sure how that's even legal under the magnufson-moss act. If Tesla requires you use their parts (the software portions and other many other parts are copyrighted to prevent aftermarket suppliers), then they would be required to provide them.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a belief running around that Tesla should act like a charity instead of a business while trying to claw its way up to a volume automaker. Software sales are high margin compared to physical auto sales. Tesla is free to do whatever is supported by contract law as it relates to software licensing, including stripping licenses off vehicles when transfers (like trade ins) done through Tesla (versus a private tra…
They don't need to act like a charity and nobody expects them to. They should decide if the features are a purchase or not, if they are why are they taking them back? If they're not, why are they selling them like purchases?
I don’t see anything in my purchase agreement that indicates you own it or can resell your Autopilot license. Agree the messaging could be improved.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure. But isn't that every company that has every sold a product? I mean, they aren't giving it away.
There is a belief running around that Tesla should act like a charity instead of a business while trying to claw its way up to a volume automaker. Software sales are high margin compared to physical auto sales. Tesla is free to do whatever is supported by contract law as it relates to software licensing, including stripping licenses off vehicles when transfers (like trade ins) done through Tesla (versus a private tra…
Tesla is free to be as inconsistent as they want to be, and we are free to mock and criticise them for it.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
On the lastest earnings call someone asked Musk if FSD could stay with the owner as they moved to new cars. He paused and thought about it and said "we'll look into it". So there's hope.
"We'll look into it" is a corporate non-answer at best, and a no realistically.
If you’re following things, Tesla is considering a subscription version of FSD that would stay with the owner.