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Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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If I buy a Tesla (Car A) with FSD, then sell it and buy a new Tesla (Car B, without FSD), do TSLA enable FSD on Car B? Do they view it as a property of the account, and any Tesla for the account has FSD? Or do they view it as a property of the specific vehicle that somehow vanishes in a transaction?

It follows the car but, iirc, at least the Tesla certified preowned cars get it reset before they are resold.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

#12
None of this adds up -- there must be details missing.

First, if a dealer advertises a car with a feature and the car is missing that feature, then you have recourse -- with the dealer.

Second, how does Tesla even know that a car has changed owners? What triggered Tesla disabling the feature at this time for this car?

I mean look, if you want to sell your Tesla back to an official Tesla dealer and they have an agreement with Tesla to disable software add-ons before reselling... then that's Tesla's right. But then the purchaser would never have seen any extra features enabled in the first place -- there would be nothing to complain about.

So what is actually going on here?

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

#13
post #6

All I want is the work truck equivalent. I don't want all the features. I want it to be cheap and just have basic features. It needs to be reasonably repairable too.

The new hummer ev is a step in the right direction. The original hummers had a pickup style so hopefully that's next.

Edit- I've always missed the true small trucks like the 90's era rangers and b2000's. I feel like that's an excellent place for a new ev truck startup to begin. The new rangers and colorados are as big as the old f-150's.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

#14
It's remarkable how the personality and ethics of founders (or early investor in Musk/Tesla) appear in how a company behaves, as in Zuckerberg/Facebook and Newmark/Craig's List for other examples.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

#15

As I understand, The FSD package (and I guess the performance package too) is linked to the car, not your account. It doesn't follow you from car to car. Then, what is the justification of Telsa's " you did not pay for it" given to second hand owners as seen in this article? This is really disingenuous and in total contradiction with Musk's "your car is an appreciating asset".

As I understand it, if you buy a non-salvage used car from another individual then the package follows the car. If you buy a salvage car then the package does not follow it as the car is officially junk (it also loses warranty, etc). If you buy a used car from Tesla they will remove the package before sale.

There's one case where Tesla apparently messed up and didn't remove the package from a car they re-sold until after sale. I can't find any other cases of that or removing packages during private sales.

edit: This seems to be about Tesla discouraging salvage cars rather than private sales of non-salvage cars.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

#16
While I don’t believe any of this is acceptable, I understand the supercharger disable for salvage title vehicles. Tesla has no idea what damage has been done to the battery pack and how they were or were not repaired. If the car catches fire while supercharging then Tesla is the one in the news, not the company that rebuilt the car.

Battery safety and compliance testing is going to be a big industry in the next decade as a result IMO.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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If I buy a Tesla (Car A) with FSD, then sell it and buy a new Tesla (Car B, without FSD), do TSLA enable FSD on Car B? Do they view it as a property of the account, and any Tesla for the account has FSD? Or do they view it as a property of the specific vehicle that somehow vanishes in a transaction?

It follows the car but, iirc, at least the Tesla certified preowned cars get it reset before they are resold.

Got it. So it seems in the Jalopnik case, Tesla missed disabling those features while it was in their possession, so did so after they sold the vehicle to a dealer and after the dealer sold the vehicle to a private party?

Then it would seem to me, in the Jalopnik article that Tesla was just in the wrong in this instance. They could have disabled the feature when they sold the car, but once they transferred title of it and it retained that feature, they should no longer be able to revoke that feature.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

#19

If I buy a Tesla (Car A) with FSD, then sell it and buy a new Tesla (Car B, without FSD), do TSLA enable FSD on Car B? Do they view it as a property of the account, and any Tesla for the account has FSD? Or do they view it as a property of the specific vehicle that somehow vanishes in a transaction?

It follows the car but, iirc, at least the Tesla certified preowned cars get it reset before they are resold.

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Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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post #6

All I want is the work truck equivalent. I don't want all the features. I want it to be cheap and just have basic features. It needs to be reasonably repairable too.

I'm wondering how the Cybertruck will care on that front. Aren't other Tesla models pretty awful on the repairability front? I bet there's a market niche for what you're describing

Afaik the bad repairability of Tesla is mostly down to the lack of parts. You cannot just order parts from Tesla, you need to be an approved shop and even then it sometimes takes months for basic things like a bumpers or fenders to be delivered.
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