Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by bound008 » Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 2:51 PM UTC

Jailbreaking Used Teslas
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Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by ncallaway » Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 3:24 PM UTC

If I buy a Tesla (Car A) with FSD, then sell it and buy a new Tesla (Car B, without FSD), do TSLA enable FSD on Car B?

Do they view it as a property of the account, and any Tesla for the account has FSD?

Or do they view it as a property of the specific vehicle that somehow vanishes in a transaction?

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by ilamont » Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 3:28 PM UTC

Teslas are notoriously expensive to fix, partially because the automaker retains a tight hold on parts availability. So when a Tesla gets into a crash, insurance companies are quick to declare them a total loss because the cost of repairs approaches the value of the vehicle. At that point, Tesla stops supporting the vehicle, meaning all warranties are voided and Supercharging is disabled, even after the repaired vehicle passes a high-voltage inspection by Tesla’s own repair staff.

I take it most crashed vehicles written off in this way can't really be used for parts because Tesla is sabotaging the market for used vehicles and wants to boost sales of new/replacement parts at dealerships, correct?

Also, is the warranty of a Tesla voided if an independent repair shop makes repairs with such parts?

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by sheepdestroyer » Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 3:28 PM UTC

As I understand, The FSD package (and I guess the performance package too) is linked to the car, not your account.

It doesn't follow you from car to car.

Then, what is the justification of Telsa's " you did not pay for it" given to second hand owners as seen in this article?

This is really disingenuous and in total contradiction with Musk's "your car is an appreciating asset".

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by KMnO4 » Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 3:32 PM UTC

Maybe Tesla should link these features to a user's account, not the vehicle. If I sell my iPhone, I'm not selling the apps that I have installed on it.

A side effect of this approach is that you could get a new Tesla and log in to activate the features you already paid for. If you crash your Model 3 and insurance buys you a new one, should you have to pay for Autopilot again?

That said, that approach may piss off people as well. Imagine paying $50k for a Tesla, and only being able to get $30k when you sell it because you paid $20k for features that won't transfer over to the new owner. Even worse if your new car isn't a Tesla: that money would be lost.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by giantg2 » Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 3:33 PM UTC

All I want is the work truck equivalent. I don't want all the features. I want it to be cheap and just have basic features. It needs to be reasonably repairable too.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by malka » Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 3:34 PM UTC

sheepdestroyer wrote: post #4

As I understand, The FSD package (and I guess the performance package too) is linked to the car, not your account. It doesn't follow you from car to car. Then, what is the justification of Telsa's " you did not pay for it" given to second hand owners as seen in this article? This is really disingenuous and in total contradiction with Musk's "your car is an appreciating asset".

> what is the justification of Telsa' [...]

"fuck you, give us money".

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by ncallaway » Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 3:37 PM UTC

KMnO4 wrote: post #5

Maybe Tesla should link these features to a user's account, not the vehicle. If I sell my iPhone, I'm not selling the apps that I have installed on it. A side effect of this approach is that you could get a new Tesla and log in to activate the features you already paid for. If you crash your Model 3 and insurance buys you a new one, should you have to pay for Autopilot again? That said, that approach may piss off peo…

I agree. It should either be tied to the account holder, and transfer from vehicle to vehicle owned by that person, or be attached to the car and be transferred right along with every other part of the car.

From a little bit of reading, it really seems like TSLA is trying to have it both ways on this, where it can just disappear after any private transaction?

The fact that there's question here is insane. This should be an easy question to answer from the purchase agreement, but I downloaded a purchase agreement I could find, but it didn't say anything about FSD.

Has anyone here bought a Tesla with FSD? Did your purchase agreement say anything on the subject?

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by nefitty » Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 3:37 PM UTC

sheepdestroyer wrote: post #4

As I understand, The FSD package (and I guess the performance package too) is linked to the car, not your account. It doesn't follow you from car to car. Then, what is the justification of Telsa's " you did not pay for it" given to second hand owners as seen in this article? This is really disingenuous and in total contradiction with Musk's "your car is an appreciating asset".

I was a little confused (haven’t read the article) by your comment, but it made more sense if I read it as a response to this other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24952161

Not sure if you meant to reply to that.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by ncallaway » Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 3:39 PM UTC

giantg2 wrote: post #6

All I want is the work truck equivalent. I don't want all the features. I want it to be cheap and just have basic features. It needs to be reasonably repairable too.

I'm wondering how the Cybertruck will care on that front. Aren't other Tesla models pretty awful on the repairability front?

I bet there's a market niche for what you're describing