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Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by s2g »

benrbray wrote: post #15
some_account wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it your computer or Microsofts? Because I really think the language in Windows speaks to you as just the guest, while Microsoft is taking care of your needs like a parent. I guess I'm very hostile to that idea since I grew up in a time when my computer was my computer, not the property of an American software organization to decide for me what is best.

No one is forcing you to keep using Windows. Plenty of people are happy enough with Linux.

And that’s fine, but you should keep that up to date too.

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by qplex »

amanzi wrote: post #29
ImaCake wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes those computers are running critical medical equipment that fails on the latest update. There are good reasons not to update. Try and have a little bit of an open mind so that you are not being dumb.

Microsoft already provide a completely different version of Windows 10 that can be used for critical systems - https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/w... These systems would almost certainly not be downloading Windows Updates directly over the internet.

Or you can just simply block outbound traffic by default and allow what you actually need.

No more forced updates. No more telemetry.

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by blub »

dingo_bat wrote: post #27
some_account wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it your computer or Microsofts? Because I really think the language in Windows speaks to you as just the guest, while Microsoft is taking care of your needs like a parent. I guess I'm very hostile to that idea since I grew up in a time when my computer was my computer, not the property of an American software organization to decide for me what is best.

It is akin to not getting your kid vaccinated based on rights to freedom. Your freedom ends where mine begins. And if your botnet infused Windows PC is going to fuck up my network, I'd say either get off the internet or get your Windows patched.

It's akin to not getting your kid vaccinated because when they give them the vaccine they also change the kid's clothes, haircut and hair color, paint their nails pink and give them a pair of MS smart glasses which record everything you do in your home for vaccination program improvement purposes.

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by blub »

skyzyx wrote: post #16

Good. People need to fucking update. Don’t be dumb.

They do, but maybe they're in the middle of something and MS is screwing it up with their forced updates.

There are plenty of horror stories where the PC reboots at a very bad moment and then one is stuck without a computer for a couple of hours.

Windows 10 is an unreliable OS and I don't ever plan to use it. Both macOS and Linux get this right.

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

aplorbust wrote: post #8

"A strategy devised by Myhrvold the salesman was just as significant. He laid it out in a memo to Gates in 1992: "Regular upgrades are important for both revenue and loyalty...A feeling of progress and improvement is necessary to keep users loyal...and an important way to produce revenue. Upgrades are the closest thing we have to an annual fee or subscription." source: Profile of Nathan Myrvhold https://www.1843magaz…

Except that in this case they get the opposite result: people are just getting more and more angry.

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by khedoros1 »

dingo_bat wrote: post #27
some_account wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it your computer or Microsofts? Because I really think the language in Windows speaks to you as just the guest, while Microsoft is taking care of your needs like a parent. I guess I'm very hostile to that idea since I grew up in a time when my computer was my computer, not the property of an American software organization to decide for me what is best.

It is akin to not getting your kid vaccinated based on rights to freedom. Your freedom ends where mine begins. And if your botnet infused Windows PC is going to fuck up my network, I'd say either get off the internet or get your Windows patched.

Until your kid becomes outdated, and they stop making vaccines for her, sure. (I'd have no problems keeping up to date if Microsoft's support periods were as long as the medical industry's are for my child).

At this point, Windows is going to end up just being my mostly-disconnected gaming OS when they stop releasing security updates in a little under 2 years.

Windows 10 needs to dump the animated ad tiles and allow complete removal of their remote-processed speech API. If they're going to continue with forced reboots, there needs to be some tech where apps run in suspendable containers, or something. I'm tired of picking up the computer in the morning and trying to remember everything I had open to work on whatever I was doing before the reboot.

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by mnl »

dingo_bat wrote: post #27
some_account wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it your computer or Microsofts? Because I really think the language in Windows speaks to you as just the guest, while Microsoft is taking care of your needs like a parent. I guess I'm very hostile to that idea since I grew up in a time when my computer was my computer, not the property of an American software organization to decide for me what is best.

It is akin to not getting your kid vaccinated based on rights to freedom. Your freedom ends where mine begins. And if your botnet infused Windows PC is going to fuck up my network, I'd say either get off the internet or get your Windows patched.

Have you ever been infected like that? I was in 2001 with Code Red, in a perfectly updated Windows 2000 based network. The lessons learned helped me to get to know what I'm doing if I want to use unsupported software in parts of the internet. The thing is it can be done with a reasonable hope of success. Reversing polio, not really.

BTW, I'm hiding KB2976978 (still can do it) as I write this. If I can't block any update I don't like I'm not interested in your product. Life's too short for this kind of BS.

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by dingo_bat »

khedoros1 wrote: post #37
dingo_bat wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is akin to not getting your kid vaccinated based on rights to freedom. Your freedom ends where mine begins. And if your botnet infused Windows PC is going to fuck up my network, I'd say either get off the internet or get your Windows patched.

Until your kid becomes outdated, and they stop making vaccines for her, sure. (I'd have no problems keeping up to date if Microsoft's support periods were as long as the medical industry's are for my child). At this point, Windows is going to end up just being my mostly-disconnected gaming OS when they stop releasing security updates in a little under 2 years. Windows 10 needs to dump the animated ad tiles and allow…

> when they stop releasing security updates in a little under 2 years.

Not going to happen unless MS itself shuts down or they decide to exit the desktop OS market.

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by mdekkers »

I am so fucking done with Windows. Windows 10 has a lot of cool things I like and that are useful to me, but the only other time I felt such a complete lack of control over my systems was during a 3 month Apple Mac experiment (ended with an apple mac being flung from a 3rd story window).

Research for the coming months: getting Linux running on my Surface Pro.

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