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Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by f2n »

benrbray wrote: post #15
some_account wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it your computer or Microsofts? Because I really think the language in Windows speaks to you as just the guest, while Microsoft is taking care of your needs like a parent. I guess I'm very hostile to that idea since I grew up in a time when my computer was my computer, not the property of an American software organization to decide for me what is best.

No one is forcing you to keep using Windows. Plenty of people are happy enough with Linux.

But Microsoft is saying that they wont push updates without user's consent.

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by CJefferson »

ImaCake wrote: post #18
skyzyx wrote: post #16

Good. People need to fucking update. Don’t be dumb.

Sometimes those computers are running critical medical equipment that fails on the latest update. There are good reasons not to update. Try and have a little bit of an open mind so that you are not being dumb.

Computers running critical medical equipment possibly shouldn't be attached to the internet, in which case they'll never see these updates.

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by lowlevel »

ImaCake wrote: post #18
skyzyx wrote: post #16

Good. People need to fucking update. Don’t be dumb.

Sometimes those computers are running critical medical equipment that fails on the latest update. There are good reasons not to update. Try and have a little bit of an open mind so that you are not being dumb.

Yeah, I encounter this closed-minded opinion all the time... some of us just can’t live with a ‘might not work on Tuesday’ computer. I’ve purchased over 200 laptops with Windows 7 downgrade this year. I throw the windows 10 discs right in the trash. I imagine I am not alone.

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by [deleted] »

ImaCake wrote: post #18
skyzyx wrote: post #16

Good. People need to fucking update. Don’t be dumb.

Sometimes those computers are running critical medical equipment that fails on the latest update. There are good reasons not to update. Try and have a little bit of an open mind so that you are not being dumb.

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Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by dvtv75 »

ImaCake wrote: post #18
skyzyx wrote: post #16

Good. People need to fucking update. Don’t be dumb.

Sometimes those computers are running critical medical equipment that fails on the latest update. There are good reasons not to update. Try and have a little bit of an open mind so that you are not being dumb.

A friend of mine had been contracted to record a webcast with a few fairly important and wealthy businessmen. The company that contracted him provided him with some equipment, they set up some slides to appear in the background, and then their Windows 10 laptop suddenly rebooted on my friend.

They delayed the webcast for about two hours, hoping it would come back, but the laptop didn't finish in that time so they just had to go without. "Funny" thing is that it was his reputation that took the hit, not Microsoft's nor the contracting company's.

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by [deleted] »

benrbray wrote: post #15
some_account wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it your computer or Microsofts? Because I really think the language in Windows speaks to you as just the guest, while Microsoft is taking care of your needs like a parent. I guess I'm very hostile to that idea since I grew up in a time when my computer was my computer, not the property of an American software organization to decide for me what is best.

No one is forcing you to keep using Windows. Plenty of people are happy enough with Linux.

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Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by dingo_bat »

some_account wrote: post #12
dingo_bat wrote: post #10

This is the correct thing to do. They really must avoid another WinXP scenario where people were running 10 year old builds on internet connected PCs. If you connect to the internet, your device must be fully patched.

Is it your computer or Microsofts? Because I really think the language in Windows speaks to you as just the guest, while Microsoft is taking care of your needs like a parent. I guess I'm very hostile to that idea since I grew up in a time when my computer was my computer, not the property of an American software organization to decide for me what is best.

It is akin to not getting your kid vaccinated based on rights to freedom. Your freedom ends where mine begins. And if your botnet infused Windows PC is going to fuck up my network, I'd say either get off the internet or get your Windows patched.

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by e12e »

some_account wrote: post #9
e12e wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except - you can check out the (old) version you want, and build it yourself? Optionally disable the update code first... [ed: there's also Firefox esr for those that need an old (if not ancient) version: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/ ]

Doesn't matter if a handful of people get around it. The behavior for the masses will continue.

If one person is free to get around it, that person can help other people get around it. That's why there's four software freedoms, not one or two.

With w10 there really isn't much of a real choice.

[ed: https://fsfe.org/freesoftware/basics/4freedoms.en.html ]

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by amanzi »

ImaCake wrote: post #18
skyzyx wrote: post #16

Good. People need to fucking update. Don’t be dumb.

Sometimes those computers are running critical medical equipment that fails on the latest update. There are good reasons not to update. Try and have a little bit of an open mind so that you are not being dumb.

Microsoft already provide a completely different version of Windows 10 that can be used for critical systems - https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/w... These systems would almost certainly not be downloading Windows Updates directly over the internet.

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by qplex »

ImaCake wrote: post #18
skyzyx wrote: post #16

Good. People need to fucking update. Don’t be dumb.

Sometimes those computers are running critical medical equipment that fails on the latest update. There are good reasons not to update. Try and have a little bit of an open mind so that you are not being dumb.

Exactly. Windows 10 automatic updates have a history of bricking machines to endless bootloops. I've had it happen eg. with broken microcode updates.

Not to mention mundane stuff like broken display drivers that render machines unusable and so on.

It's insane not to disable automatic updates on Windows if you run critical systems.

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