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Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by pxmpxm »

BrandiATMuhkuh wrote: post #41
kemiller2002 wrote: post #15

We have a family friend who is blind and a programmer. It's interesting to hear his perspective. His hope and expectation are that it will greatly increase usability. I've been thrown into the usability deep end due to my wife also losing her sight due to an autoimmune disorder, and my dad losing his sight due to Macular Degeneration. Honestly, it sucks, and I mean like rage quitting, phone throwing sucks. (Try it. T…

Sorry to hear about what is happening in your family. I think your perspective is spot on. VUI (voice user interfaces) will absolutely change the way we interact with computers. After all, talking comes naturally to humans. The digit divide (old people, very young people, illiterate) still exists. And will likely get bigger if VUIs don't get wide spread adoption.

> Sorry to hear about what is happening in your family.

Non-sequitur, but I cannot be the only person to find this sort performative empathy odd/out of place in this the context of HID accessiblity discussion.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by recursive »

llm_nerd wrote: post #268
Merad wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> LLMs should never do math. They shouldn't count letters or sort lists or play chess or checkers. But these aren't "gotcha questions", these are just some of the basic interactions that people will want to have with intelligent assistants. Literally just two days ago I was doing some things with the compound interest formula - I asked Claude to solve for a particular variable of the formula, then plug in some number…

They're gotcha in the sense that people are intentionally asking LLMs to do things that LLMs are terrible at doing. LLMs are language models. They aren't math models. Or chess models. Or sorting or counting models. They aren't even logic models. So early on the value was completely in language. But you're absolutely correct that for these tools to really be useful they need to be better than that, and slowly we're ge…

If this stuff is getting sold as a revolution in information work, or a watershed moment in technology, or as a cultural step-change, etc, then I think the gotcha is totally fair. There seems to be no limit to the hype or sales pitch. So there need be no bounds for pedantic gotchas either.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by recursive »

aftbit wrote: post #201
nixosbestos wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ChatGPT thinks 9.11 > 9.9. I'm in no hurry.

Javascript thinks that 11 > [11,9,1,3].sort() [ 1, 11, 3, 9 ]

If you want to know whether javascript thinks `11 < 3`, then just evaluate it directly. There is lots of dumb stuff in JS IMO, but be honest about it.

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Post by Smaug123 »

browningstreet wrote: post #112
everdrive wrote: post #4

This is emblematic of the LLM race in general. We’re actively pressured to use co-pilot at work, and it’s crammed into every Microsoft product. I’m thankful that my iPhone is old enough not to use LLMs. Companies are afraid of being left behind in the new arms race, but that doesn’t actually mean that the technology actually present use-cases which most people need. (Worse are the meeting summaries or emails which ar…

I think LLMs work best when you go to them and know what you’re getting and how hard you’re going to work to get something good. When it’s just there… you expect something better than that and you can’t quite “work it” the same as when you’re iterating through the native interface, or API. I use LLMs a lot, all day long, but I’ve disabled Apple Intelligence. [I’m also salty how bad typing still is on an iPhone and th…

The fact that the GPT-style models are literally autocomplete engines, while text autocompletion on phone keyboards remains terrible, really maddens me. Is it that they simply aren't using that style of model for autocompletion, or that the GPTs aren't great at guessing me specifically even though they're superhuman at autocompleting the Internet, or that it would be too slow to run a sufficiently good GPT for this on-device, or what?

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Post by numpad0 »

ARandumGuy wrote: post #23
everdrive wrote: post #4

This is emblematic of the LLM race in general. We’re actively pressured to use co-pilot at work, and it’s crammed into every Microsoft product. I’m thankful that my iPhone is old enough not to use LLMs. Companies are afraid of being left behind in the new arms race, but that doesn’t actually mean that the technology actually present use-cases which most people need. (Worse are the meeting summaries or emails which ar…

What I don't understand is, what benefit is there for 99% of companies to get in on the ground floor of LLMs? If you're not developing your own model, you're effectively just beta testing someone else's model. And if the sales pitch of LLMs being able to do basically anything comes true, wouldn't most companies still get the same benefit if they just wait? It seems like a lot of companies are so terrified of missing…

imwo(w: wrong), it's because just riding along fomo waves is a legit strat. It just doesn't matter if LLM or marijuana serves no purpose or whether it's detrimental or suggested to cause schizophrenia. It's more important for leviathan-class corporates to not be different where it doesn't pay to be different.

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Post by kube-system »

ARandumGuy wrote: post #23
everdrive wrote: post #4

This is emblematic of the LLM race in general. We’re actively pressured to use co-pilot at work, and it’s crammed into every Microsoft product. I’m thankful that my iPhone is old enough not to use LLMs. Companies are afraid of being left behind in the new arms race, but that doesn’t actually mean that the technology actually present use-cases which most people need. (Worse are the meeting summaries or emails which ar…

What I don't understand is, what benefit is there for 99% of companies to get in on the ground floor of LLMs? If you're not developing your own model, you're effectively just beta testing someone else's model. And if the sales pitch of LLMs being able to do basically anything comes true, wouldn't most companies still get the same benefit if they just wait? It seems like a lot of companies are so terrified of missing…

First-mover advantage. It doesn't matter if the product works or not, if it doesn't sell because everyone bought your competitor. The product will mature with time, what won't get better with time is your market position if you're seen as being behind the times.

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Post by rcarmo »

bunderbunder wrote: post #188
mey wrote: post #163

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How accurate are the summaries?

This is what worries me. I'd say that >50% of the time, Copilot-generated summaries of meetings in which I was presenting misinterpret what I said in some important way. I'd much rather (and do) take a couple minutes to write my own take-aways. It's the golden rule in a business context: I'd prefer to receive three one-sentence bullet points that are actually accurate over a couple pages of AI slop, so that's what I…

I need to do that kind of thing all the time—-and it annoys me to no end when people post the summaries in chats to “catch up” on a meeting, because I know they’re wrong. As an European who understands five languages well and can take some solid hints in many others, nothing beats actually listening or scanning a transcript.

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Post by llm_nerd »

Smaug123 wrote: post #287
llm_nerd wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sigh. Everything is extremely well-trodden at the code level. You're taking some inputs and generating some outputs. You're calling some functions. You're manipulating some strings or lists or sets. You're sorting some things or filtering things. You're building a client to a given API. You're doing some messaging and some encryption. I guarantee that your code isn't remotely as unique or novel as you think it is. Of…

"It's all just code, how hard can it be, and your NDAs don't apply" is certainly a take, but some people do actually solve problems whose solutions aren't already on the Internet and are forbidden from exfiltrating code! The fact that you don't solve such problems and are not bound by such NDAs is not a huge piece of evidence, to be honest. Can you imagine even in principle a piece of evidence that would convince you…

Who said that NDAs don't apply? If you need to strawman to make an argument, just save the bits and skip doing it.

And yes, in the end all code distills down to shit that is very similar to the countless billions of lines of code on the internet. Everything -- every single project that anyone on this site is working on -- is a bunch of glued together shit where 90% (more like 99% Probably 99.9%) of it is in common with code seen in countless other projects. Utterly regardless of domain or business or project specific uniqueness. Someone would have to be profoundly incompetent to not realize this.

Again, I seem to arguing with people who think that using a tool means feeding it their whole projects and having it rewrite it in Rust or something. In reality a programmer could yield immense value from such tools having a) given it zero lines of their code, b) used zero lines of the code it generated. This isn't a difficult concept, but I'm going to continue getting insane responses by all of the unique people who work on the amazingly unique situations where instead of sorting from A-Z, they sort from Z-A!

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

mikestew wrote: post #238
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #199

I am using an iPhone 13 Mini, which will need to be pried from my cold, dead, hands. The new "intelligence" hasn't made any difference that I can note, other than a couple of buttons, and Siri seems a bit less dense. On my Mac, the Xcode auto-fill has improved quite a bit. It is now useful enough for me to use (but I still need to check its work, as it hallucinates weird API calls).

using an iPhone 13 Mini…The new "intelligence" hasn't made any difference that I can note Hello, fellow cold-dead-hands iPhone Mini user: iPhone 13 doesn’t support Apple Intelligence, though, right?

That would explain the lack of difference. My Mac is a new Mini M4, though.

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Post by deegles »

ARandumGuy wrote: post #23
everdrive wrote: post #4

This is emblematic of the LLM race in general. We’re actively pressured to use co-pilot at work, and it’s crammed into every Microsoft product. I’m thankful that my iPhone is old enough not to use LLMs. Companies are afraid of being left behind in the new arms race, but that doesn’t actually mean that the technology actually present use-cases which most people need. (Worse are the meeting summaries or emails which ar…

What I don't understand is, what benefit is there for 99% of companies to get in on the ground floor of LLMs? If you're not developing your own model, you're effectively just beta testing someone else's model. And if the sales pitch of LLMs being able to do basically anything comes true, wouldn't most companies still get the same benefit if they just wait? It seems like a lot of companies are so terrified of missing…

I think people are laying the groundwork for "true" AI to be plugged in. even if they know it's not currently that effective.
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