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U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Post by bananalychee »

93po wrote: post #241
bananalychee wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your post is fair, but it's not how I read the OP, which seems less concerned with consolidation of power than with people supportive of Israel having power. And while I appreciate that criticism of Israel is not anti-semitism, believing that Israel is a legitimate state that has the right to self-defense is all it takes to be labelled as a "Zionist", and at that point it's practically a euphemism for "Jew". I'm not…

I sympathize with the sensitivity of the topic and what dog-whistling can look like. However, we're discussing media that people consume and the control that people have over that media. One of the most critical topics being controlled by media right now is the genocide in Gaza. And we're looking at a large section of media, including TikTok, being controlled by someone who not only denies that a genocide is happenin…

I'm sympathetic to your argument, because you set explicit boundaries on the issue of concern, and you mention military contracts with concretely align Oracle with Israeli interests. It takes very selective reading between the lines to interpret the OP this charitably, when a direct interpretation reads more like "Jews who sympathize with Israel shouldn't own media platforms, because they will use them for propaganda." Which is maybe four words distanced from last-century anti-semitism.

I will add that TikTok is already being measurably manipulated, which everyone seems to be glossing over, perhaps because the bias runs in the "right" direction.

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Post by freejazz »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #239
cultofmetatron wrote: post #228

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I'm gonna go on a limb and guess that since its a social media platform where people have been widely protesting a zionist led genocide by a Israel. the fact that the investor is a zionist and Israel supporter is probably very relevant. more or less akin to a coal miner operator taking control over the EPA even.

> the fact that the investor is a zionist and Israel supporter is probably very relevant To that issue, sure. What's being missed is that any buyer Trump signed off on would need to align with his views.

No one missed that.

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Post by conductr »

ferguess_k wrote: post #154

Just don't use it. Regardless of who is in control, Tiktok is basically an app designed by some of the smartest minds in the world to get you addicted. I already observed the brainrot similar apps caused to my parents, and for hell I won't allow my kid to touch it whenever I have control. Whether you "learned" anything from it is irrelevant too -- you can always learn better with books, classes, and heck even YouTube…

I feel like short form video is inherently addictive, what special sauce are these smartest minds in the world using that adds to that?

I've never used it, but since YouTube introduced Shorts I've become victim to the addiction and subsequently blocked any trace of Shorts with a browser extension.

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Post by zer00eyz »

fullshark wrote: post #103
g8oz wrote: post #80

TikTok dealt a serious blow to the Western consensus manufacturing apparatus. We saw that with Gaza especially. This deal is a step towards taking back control.

Maybe these crypto-zealots who scream about decentralization will actually try and build a thriving decentralized media instead of pumping and dumping shitcoins?

> try and build a thriving decentralized media

This exists today, it has always existed, and you never needed technology to find the solution to it.

Im a huge fan of the film Rope, because it is just done well. Its also got a ton of coding in it for "homosexual" themes that were very much banned at the time of filming. Understanding these paints the film in a whole new way...

Shakespeare has a ton of contemporary satire coded into it. Unless you're aware of history or reading a version that illuminates the meta-context you would very much be unaware of its existence.

It happens in modern film: Paul Verhoeven is a master of it.

If you dont think there are coded communities on existing social platforms sharing information among in members I have news for you.

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Post by ecshafer »

TSiege wrote: post #194
ecshafer wrote: post #187

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Is the argument that the Larry Ellison doesn't have huge sway over the companies he's owns outright or in part, or that saying him and Elon Musk have outsized control over America's information environment is conspiratorial? Either seem laughably wrong since these things are all public information

The argument is that adding "zionist" multiple times was an irrelevant and conspiracy theorist laden addition.

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Post by geodel »

elzbardico wrote: post #264
fooqux wrote: post #261

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It's rather amazing. They found one of the few organizations I trust less than the Chinese government to run this.

Compared to Larry Ellison, Kim Jong-un strikes me as a supreme humanist, a beacon of goodness and generosity.

Indeed. And since you are so nice to Kim he can get a job as remote IT worker.
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