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Post by bananalychee »

acdha wrote: post #172
schnable wrote: post #148

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Ignoring the genocide topic for the moment, it’s relevant from a speech perspective: that’s an alliance of hard-right groups who have spent the last year conflating criticism of Israel with anti-semitism and trying to shut down voices which disagree with them (e.g. cuts to research grants based on unrelated actions on campus). Consolidating a large chunk of the information space under a unified group opposed to free…

Your post is fair, but it's not how I read the OP, which seems less concerned with consolidation of power than with people supportive of Israel having power. And while I appreciate that criticism of Israel is not anti-semitism, believing that Israel is a legitimate state that has the right to self-defense is all it takes to be labelled as a "Zionist", and at that point it's practically a euphemism for "Jew". I'm not familiar enough with Bari Weiss's views to tell if that's what's being done here, but the use of a pejorative without clarification, combined with the fixation on "Zionists" and the implication that their intent surely must be to issue pro-Israel propaganda in particular makes it sound a lot like old-school anti-semitism.

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Post by cjbgkagh »

tootie wrote: post #178
schnable wrote: post #148

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Only boomers in the US right wing have a net favorable view of Israel and it seems to me a lot of that is driven by contrarianism in response to the Left. The left hate it to therefore I must like it… that and the evangelicals. As the genocide drags on I think it’s putting many boomers off and more up to date polling may find that Israel is underwater there too. That would only leave the right wing leadership being net pro Israel which simply highlights the disconnect between politicians and the people that vote for them.

I’m pretty sure buying media companies like this is an attempt to stop the bleeding.

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Post by spookie »

volleyball wrote: post #41

So Larry Ellison just took over Paramount group which is now looking to bid for Warner Brothers and CNN. And now Ellison is going to take over TikTok. Paramount(being run by Larry Ellison's son) is looking to install the pro-israel-propagandist who has variously masqueraded as a liberal, a conservative and anti-woke free-speech champion, Bari Weiss[1] as CBS's editor-in-chief or co-president[2]. It also bears mention…

To be completly frank, its better to focus on the media consolidation part. That's the real problem.

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Post by TSiege »

ecshafer wrote: post #187
volleyball wrote: post #41

So Larry Ellison just took over Paramount group which is now looking to bid for Warner Brothers and CNN. And now Ellison is going to take over TikTok. Paramount(being run by Larry Ellison's son) is looking to install the pro-israel-propagandist who has variously masqueraded as a liberal, a conservative and anti-woke free-speech champion, Bari Weiss[1] as CBS's editor-in-chief or co-president[2]. It also bears mention…

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Is the argument that the Larry Ellison doesn't have huge sway over the companies he's owns outright or in part, or that saying him and Elon Musk have outsized control over America's information environment is conspiratorial? Either seem laughably wrong since these things are all public information

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Post by jerojero »

drewbitt wrote: post #3

Reminds me of Yahoo buying Tumblr. Mismatched. Their best bet is to change little to nothing, but not sure the administration will let them.

It does seem mismatched but it's also an opportunity for Oracle to become relevant in the space, if they handle it right.

Though yeah, if they go the Yahoo-route it's going to be a huge waste. But it's really up to how the company handles the acquisition.

Yahoo missed big time by just trying to change the culture of the userbase way too quickly. They didn't like that people were posting porn on Tumblr when that was one of the most important aspects of the platform for the users. They bled way too many users and took way too long of a time to do anything about it.

I feel like Tumblr should have done their own patreon/OF type of push within the platform but they didn't have the vision. They literally had all the creators of that type of content at some point and they've now all moved to X/Twitter.

I hope (i mean, idgaf but you know it's a figure of speech) that Oracle has a better perspective about the issue so they don't commit another billion(s) dollar(s) crime.

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Post by Animats »

With, apparently, a board member appointed by the Trump administration.

The U.S Steel deal included three board seats, but the Intel deal did not include any.

This is starting to look like the way China does things, with the central government having a financial stake in important companies.

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Post by farseer »

thesmtsolver wrote: post #164
volleyball wrote: post #41

So Larry Ellison just took over Paramount group which is now looking to bid for Warner Brothers and CNN. And now Ellison is going to take over TikTok. Paramount(being run by Larry Ellison's son) is looking to install the pro-israel-propagandist who has variously masqueraded as a liberal, a conservative and anti-woke free-speech champion, Bari Weiss[1] as CBS's editor-in-chief or co-president[2]. It also bears mention…

Trying to be neutral. Did we consider China's relationship with Palestine? Were we ok with American minds being swayed by a foreign country?

That is one of the prime reasons congress banned TikTok.

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Post by cjbgkagh »

loverofhumanz wrote: post #162
schnable wrote: post #148

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The most complicated thing about Bari Weiss, who lost in a battle of wits against Joe Rogan (a rather low bar), is how she continues to fail upwards.

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Post by Vegenoid »

k310 wrote: post #23

The party of laissez-faire capitalism is now into "let's interfere", with government ownership, presence within companies and of course, dropping the hammer on "unpatriotic" speech, a kind of Amended First Amendment. 10 Small Steps: Executing the Fascist Playbook [0] The Fascists’ Playbook [1] [0] https://www.huffpost.com/entry/10-small-steps-executing-the-... [1] https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/05/08/the-fascists-…

You can’t call them fascists - that’s dangerous, illegal rhetoric that incites violence.

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Post by pests »

jerojero wrote: post #184
palmotea wrote: post #88

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> Oracle owning TikTok is one of the most unintentionally funny things to ever happen. I'm hopeful. With any luck they'll ruin TikTok and it will die, a satisfying result.

why do people hate TikTok as a product so much? if TikTok dies then one of the alternatives: instagram reels or youtube shorts would take its place. the brainrot will be the same. I guess people think tiktok's algorithm is particularly pervasive over Google's or Meta's? But I don't see why.

For me it’s the potential china influence. Reels and Shorts is at least American and I already have established relations with both companies.

Are we for sure the TikTok algorithm doesn’t bump towards or away from certain issues? The data on the cultural zeitgeist? The ability to promote political messaging?

Brainrot the same. Intentions, maybe not.

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