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Post by stouset »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #239
cultofmetatron wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm gonna go on a limb and guess that since its a social media platform where people have been widely protesting a zionist led genocide by a Israel. the fact that the investor is a zionist and Israel supporter is probably very relevant. more or less akin to a coal miner operator taking control over the EPA even.

> the fact that the investor is a zionist and Israel supporter is probably very relevant To that issue, sure. What's being missed is that any buyer Trump signed off on would need to align with his views.

This is literally the entire issue behind why people think things like this are a bad idea.

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Post by guizadillas »

tinyhouse wrote: post #233
cheraderama wrote: post #229

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The problem is the word 'anti'. Being pro something doesn't mean you're anti something else. I can be pro-israel and still have sympathy for the Palestinians and what they are enduring and hoping for peace.

Well I'm pro anti-israel

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Post by paganel »

bootsmann wrote: post #175
g8oz wrote: post #80

TikTok dealt a serious blow to the Western consensus manufacturing apparatus. We saw that with Gaza especially. This deal is a step towards taking back control.

Taking back control by _checks notes_ handing the Chinese propaganda tool to supporters of the current administration?

Yes, indeed. As the current administration, any US administration in the last 30-40 or years in fact, is for a fact very pro-Israel, so a move like this can only cement that stance.

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Post by corimaith »

aurareturn wrote: post #50

I think it's bad news if the US government owns Tiktok data rather than the Chinese government. Chinese government won't prosecute me. US government might. The State Department also said it would crack down on non-citizens who have made posts making light of the shooting. “In light of yesterday’s horrific assassination of a leading political figure, I want to underscore that foreigners who glorify violence and hatred…

>Chinese government won't prosecute me. US government might.

It's arguments like this that reminds of the critique of libertarians as akin to house cats that seek to undermine the very systems that allow them to exist in the first place that wouldn't survive outside for minute. Or maybe it's just agitprop right here.

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Post by throw310822 »

duxup wrote: post #20
bix6 wrote: post #19

> one member designated by the US government. Why does the board of TikTok need a gov member? Is Meta going to get a gov chaperone too? And Oracle surely needs one as well. Is the gov putting out a call for board member civil servants? Like where does this person even come from?

Same reason they put a guy at CBS as a "bias monitor": https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-fcc-cbs-ne... They want their guy to make sure things go their way / people say the "right" things.

> a guy at CBS as a "bias monitor"

Kenneth Weinstein.

"Mr. Weinstein has had a long career in right-leaning and neoconservative public policy circles. He is a firm and vocal champion of Israel." (NyTimes)

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Post by anon7000 »

andsoitis wrote: post #177
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #146

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> to support Israel? Is that what this is about? It’s for money and power. Because of the partisan nature of the power grab, a certain grab bag of evangelical, fossil fuel and anti-gay tenets are going to get reïnforced. But treating those as the cause dangerously misses that this is being started at home.

> anti-gay Larry Ellison’s daughter is gay. Why do you think her brother and father are going to infuse Paramount with anti-gay bigotry?

It's important to remember that the ultra-powerful and wealthy live whatever life they want to live regardless of what their media companies promote.

Someone can own a media company, have it push very specific political ideologies with the goal of turning people against each other and gaining power for themselves. By pushing antagonistic media, they can prop up fringe political figures who'd be more willing to help them with their political goals. (E.g. tax policies that help the wealthy person's companies.)

They can still live whatever life they want, even going against the ideologies the media companies espouse, because they're rich enough that the fallout doesn't impact them.

They're living a very different kind of life than us.

BTW, I'm not explicitly arguing that Larry Ellison is doing this -- I don't have the context or background on that. I am saying that his media companies will 1. do things to help Larry's interests (which are probably political), and 2. that doesn't have to be aligned with however he lives his personal life, since he's effectively immune.

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Post by slg »

fluidcruft wrote: post #247
lr4444lr wrote: post #234

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Thank you for saying this. The American Christian Right's staunch pro-Israel voting bloc is way underappreciated by most critics of the lobby money. These people are legion, and would not vote against Israel if you paid them: it's part of their Christian messianic religion that the Jews be in the Holy Land.

If the American Christian Right were purchasing TikTok, then it might be relevant to a discussion about the purchase of TikTok. Instead we have... this whole subthread of pointless crap and justifications for the pointless crap.

The original complaint here is that American Zionists are purchasing TikTok. The point being discussed in this subthread is that American Zionism is more in line with the American Right than American Jews. Therefore the relevant trait of the purchasers being criticized is their right wing ideology and not their religion.

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Post by dashundchen »

kaveh_h wrote: post #216
A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 wrote: post #86

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This. I think people in general misunderstand the allure of power and the means to maintain it. Power centers in US are drooling at the opportunity to do what China has done in terms of controlling discourse and language. The interesting thing is that they all assume that this particular measure of control would never be turned against them. edit: Adjusted weapon to 'measure of control'. I accept people are a little…

In a democracy where the politicians change every 4-8 years this is receipt for disaster. The next administration will undo action taken by the previous one. In effect destroying any momentum or progress for achieving anything. For China and Russia this is not a problem because of the totalitarian state.

These fascist Republicans are not intending on giving up power. A bit China mixed with the sham democracies of Russia, Hungary or Turkey - this is the model they're going for.

What do you think the push behind the new gerrymandered districts is for?

Why do you think they are assembling a national voter registration database that hasn't existed before? https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/trump-doj-national-...

Why are they creating fake emergencies to justify inserting federal police and the national guard in major cities with big Democratic voting populations?

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