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In 2020, 22.4% of the US population voted for Trump. In 2024, 22.7% of the population voted for Trump. I hate how people draw drastic conclusions regarding what the American people want based off the shift of less than half a percentage point of the population.

Everyone who chooses not to vote is voting “I don’t care” and so voted for whoever won.

Everyone who chooses not to vote is voting “I don’t like any candidate” and so voted against all candidates. How is your interpretation more valid than mine?

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Ellison claims his Zionism is disconnected from his mother being Jewish. He has also distanced himself from his Judaism. It is also worth noting that more American Zionists are Evangelicals than Jews. Last I saw, Netanyahu has a higher approval rating among American Evangelicals than he has in his own country. This issue is very much Zionists vs anti-Zionists. Attempts to frame it as Jews vs non-Jews is just a differ…

I’m pretty sure the conflation has entered US law at the state level in most states. Not sure where it’s at the US federal level but it’s either conflated there as well or it is about to be.

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What's the problem with being pro-israel? Everyone needs to be pro-whatever-you-prefer? I'm pro-israel too.

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The problem is the word 'anti'. Being pro something doesn't mean you're anti something else. I can be pro-israel and still have sympathy for the Palestinians and what they are enduring and hoping for peace.

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Ellison claims his Zionism is disconnected from his mother being Jewish. He has also distanced himself from his Judaism. It is also worth noting that more American Zionists are Evangelicals than Jews. Last I saw, Netanyahu has a higher approval rating among American Evangelicals than he has in his own country. This issue is very much Zionists vs anti-Zionists. Attempts to frame it as Jews vs non-Jews is just a differ…

Thank you for saying this. The American Christian Right's staunch pro-Israel voting bloc is way underappreciated by most critics of the lobby money. These people are legion, and would not vote against Israel if you paid them: it's part of their Christian messianic religion that the Jews be in the Holy Land.

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So Larry Ellison just took over Paramount group which is now looking to bid for Warner Brothers and CNN. And now Ellison is going to take over TikTok. Paramount(being run by Larry Ellison's son) is looking to install the pro-israel-propagandist who has variously masqueraded as a liberal, a conservative and anti-woke free-speech champion, Bari Weiss[1] as CBS's editor-in-chief or co-president[2]. It also bears mention…

What's the problem with being pro-israel? Everyone needs to be pro-whatever-you-prefer? I'm pro-israel too.

The problem is that the pro stands from problem.

Whenever we take a stance, We identify our ego with that stance. We shall die but die a pro X or pro Y

As such many debates happen in bad faith as well.

Of course everyone has their agenda but one has to understand that agenda is just a framework for understanding the world.

And we need to understand the world because it has no inherent meaning.

So like, if we really have to deduce meaning, if we really have to be pro something that we can die on a hill towards, I'd rather have it be a humanitarian thing.

I am not saying that palestine is good either but rather that in genocide/wars, the people fighting the war/military/families displaced suffer, not the old man causing the war.

I feel like I am a humanist. Wishing to understand the world, yet I feel like some people in this world have hurt me so much that sometimes I just wish the world to burn.

I am sure that people are gonna comment on something like "oh do you support a genocide etc."

But I am trying to make the point that the world should really be just anti suffering,accepting. Yes I am naive but surely with all of this technological improvements, we can improve the structure of society to not be fucking brewing with hate and bullying and resentment.

We can do so much better as a society without even trying much. Just small acts of kindness and basically creating a environment that rewards it and punishes bullying/hate speech etc. might be really nice if I am being honest.

Not sure why we can't be pro this instead of defining ourselves with the confict of two other foreign nations

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>Banning it entirely is the best way to avoid these problems. Too popular to ban. Political constraints. >Will they be able to change the algorithms or censorship or amplification on TikTok? "An Asia-based investor of ByteDance said the new US TikTok entity would use at least part of the Chinese algorithm but train it in the US on American user data." ________________ I'm not sure you're looking at this the right way…

> (which would probably be an actual digital privacy framework) The ban wasn't executed on digital privacy concerns. The intent of the original ban was on digital privacy concerns, and that was shot down. > The Intel stake is the same - barely thought out. If you haven't noticed, this has been a common theme in many policy decisions lately. The TikTok ban passed under Biden , and the ball was kicked to Trump so he wo…

> The TikTok ban passed under Biden, and the ball was kicked to Trump so he would deal with the political fallout

The Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act (PAFACA) was _passed by a Republican House_.

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So Larry Ellison just took over Paramount group which is now looking to bid for Warner Brothers and CNN. And now Ellison is going to take over TikTok. Paramount(being run by Larry Ellison's son) is looking to install the pro-israel-propagandist who has variously masqueraded as a liberal, a conservative and anti-woke free-speech champion, Bari Weiss[1] as CBS's editor-in-chief or co-president[2]. It also bears mention…

> This very much looks like a hostile take-over of the American mind by a tech billionaire who just overtook Elon Musk to become the world's richest man. People should be talking about whether they want to go through this all over again. Again? People should be talking about the hostile take-over currently in progress and how it is getting exponentially worse. But the billionaire mouthpieces gave everyone a shiny new…

> No one cares about anything that matters.

Maybe that's what they wanted all along.

Why fight a war against class, against oppression when we can sit on a chair and write a comment either defending or arguing against something as petty as religion.

It would be maybe the 3rd point worth discussing definitely after concentration of power & how they can influence our opinion of the masses.

But people made it the first.

There is no such thing as a moral billionaire imo, I saw a video like this and I sorta agree.

I wouldn't be comfortable with anyone owning this much amount of control.

Religion seems so petty to me yet it seems that the world is coming back to it. Fighting us vs them.

We have all forgotten what the people in 1970's esque dreamed of 2025 etc. (I am a genz but I have seen such videos of people thinking what)

And the funny thing is, is that we ourselves have forgotten how to dream of what will happen in 2100

Do we really want to grow old in society where even after 70-80 years, one of our children or grandchildren sees yet again some comment like this and writes something like this that I am writing?

I feel a little frustrated.

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> to support Israel? Is that what this is about? It’s for money and power. Because of the partisan nature of the power grab, a certain grab bag of evangelical, fossil fuel and anti-gay tenets are going to get reïnforced. But treating those as the cause dangerously misses that this is being started at home.

> anti-gay Larry Ellison’s daughter is gay. Why do you think her brother and father are going to infuse Paramount with anti-gay bigotry?

> Larry Ellison’s daughter is gay. Why do you think her brother and father are going to infuse Paramount with anti-gay bigotry?

Sorry, I'm speaking generally. The people in power broadly align with these policies. That means that when they gain control over a pillar of industry, they're broadly going to do influence it to some combination of those ends. The reason they gained power isn't to do those things. Ellison isn't taking control of TikTok to influence the Israel narrative. But when he takes control of it, as a result of the contours of powers that are MAGA, he will probably be forced to put forward an anti-Palestinian editorial bias.

There is a lot of tail wagging the dog conspiracy in this thread. I'm pushing back on that.

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I'm gonna go on a limb and guess that since its a social media platform where people have been widely protesting a zionist led genocide by a Israel. the fact that the investor is a zionist and Israel supporter is probably very relevant. more or less akin to a coal miner operator taking control over the EPA even.

> the fact that the investor is a zionist and Israel supporter is probably very relevant

To that issue, sure. What's being missed is that any buyer Trump signed off on would need to align with his views.

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So Larry Ellison just took over Paramount group which is now looking to bid for Warner Brothers and CNN. And now Ellison is going to take over TikTok. Paramount(being run by Larry Ellison's son) is looking to install the pro-israel-propagandist who has variously masqueraded as a liberal, a conservative and anti-woke free-speech champion, Bari Weiss[1] as CBS's editor-in-chief or co-president[2]. It also bears mention…

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