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Re: ChatGPT with voice is now available to all free users

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Post by apwell23 »

superultra wrote: post #114

I’ve been using this for several weeks now and it’s replaced podcasts for me. I’ll just pick a topic and then ask for a summary and then ask clarifying questions. Other times I’ll just goof off. In one chat, I’m rewriting the Star Wars sequels movie by movie with ChatGPT. I’ve realized that I’m built to learn socially, and ChatGPT never tires of my questions or gets annoyed. One interesting story. My 15 year old kid…

> it’s replaced podcasts for me

Curious. Which podcast did you replace?

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Post by croon »

WendyTheWillow wrote: post #230
Martinussen wrote: post #225

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What you just wrote makes more sense applied to LLM output than podcasts! You'd just as easily argue that "radio" or "news" is all bad if you don't want to differentiate between different forms of expression and communication within a medium. (Which, obviously, would be silly)

Sorry what? Nothing I wrote apples to LLMs; they are not optimized for popularity, they’ve been meticulously designed and built to be as accurate as possible.

No they're not. If they were, they would default to 0 temperature and have no Top P, frequency/presence penalty, and frankly not have knowledge as a function of language to begin with. They're designed to be convincing as a "presence" and output reasonable sounding language in context, with accuracy as an afterthought.

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Post by kaszanka »

numpad0 wrote: post #228
WendyTheWillow wrote: post #152

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No; I'm much more confident in ChatGPT's accuracy than I am in a random podcast's accuracy. Podcasts tend to be relatively terrible, accuracy wise. If the alternative is learning from ChatGPT, your odds of getting correct information is substantially higher. Podcasts are entertaining! But not where I would go to learn anything.

Problem with ChatGPT isn't that they get facts wrong, but that they're what the categorical name suggests, large language models. At one point I came across this series of "are CJK languages related" questions in Quora with cached ChatGPT responses[1], all grammatically correct and very natural, largely turboencabulators, sometimes contradicting even within a single response. Podcasters? They're not _this_ inconsiste…

What's the issue with the answer for "Are Korean and Chinese mutually intelligible"? The highlighted part is definitely true, at least.

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Post by CaptWillard »

WendyTheWillow wrote: post #275
CaptWillard wrote: post #254

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>Almost never do the views of any individual actually represent any field as a whole. Setting aside the many individuals who currently lead their fields, history is filled with groundbreaking heretics. https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/mavericks-...

History is filled with many more plain ol’ heretics however, and we’re exceptionally bad at telling the difference in the meantime. You, most importantly, are complete garbage at telling the difference between a crackpot and an innovator in a field you know nothing about. Trying to drink unpasteurized knowledge will infect you a lot more quickly than it will enlighten you.

I'd say that I regret engaging with you, but that last line is golden.

It's not censorship, propaganda and official disinformation, it's "Pasteurized Knowledge®"

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Post by simoncion »

lagt_t wrote: post #136
simoncion wrote: post #121

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> Imagine being pissed that someone is hearing and learning from your voice as you’re having conversation together. Hello. USian here, talking about things from a USian perspective! YMMV in other countries, visit your local dealership for more information, & etc, etc, etc. A multi-million (or multi-billion) dollar company who can * Store recordings all of my utterances forever * Use my recordings to make tons of mone…

Why aren't you complaining about what happens to your HN posts?

> Why aren't you complaining about what happens to your HN posts?

That doesn't seem related to the point?

Do you disagree that "Posting on a public Internet forum (such as HN)" is (other than the "communicating information to other people" aspect) _radically_ different than "Talking one-on-one to someone in person without any recording devices present"?

If you do disagree, then there's no way we can have a even vaguely productive conversation on the topic.

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Post by simoncion »

3cats-in-a-coat wrote: post #126
simoncion wrote: post #121

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> Imagine being pissed that someone is hearing and learning from your voice as you’re having conversation together. Hello. USian here, talking about things from a USian perspective! YMMV in other countries, visit your local dealership for more information, & etc, etc, etc. A multi-million (or multi-billion) dollar company who can * Store recordings all of my utterances forever * Use my recordings to make tons of mone…

It's not sending you a cent? Care to explain why someone would use ChatGPT Free with voice, if this provides no value to them? Pokes a sizable hole in your entire argument. It's not like the government came to your house and told you "use it or go to jail". Do you ask people for money when they talk to you in general? Saying "it's not a someone" is just arbitrary categorization. If it was like talking to a wall, you…

You appear to have gotten derailed by the monetary compensation bullet point and totally ignored the "Retain a perfect copy of my utterances forever to do nearly anything they wish with (including, but not at all limited to, making money from) for the rest of eternity" aspect.

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Post by raydev »

icelancer wrote: post #198
resonious wrote: post #195

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Might be able to ask the same question to someone listening to real podcasts.

People never consider the base rate. They compare AI things to gods rather than what it is replacing, which is usually a low-value wiki or podcast.

It's more commenters here revealing how low their standards are when they say "well people and/or podcasts spread false info too".

No actually, you can pay people to lie less and prove that they do so. We pay $20/month for ChatGPT to straight up lie to us and we know we need to sort it out.

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Post by 51Cards »

bradley13 wrote: post #158
51Cards wrote: post #46

Where is this available? I have the app installed but I don't see a headphones button, just one that seems to record my voice and then attempts to transcribe it for submission (and fails every time). I'm on Android, App icon is the black ChatGPT logo on a white background. Thanks!

For me, it didn't appear until a few hours later. Pending update, maybe? Closing and re-opening the app 2-3 times? No idea, but eventually the headphone icon did appear (bottom right, for me on Android).

Thanks! It was there this morning for me as well. Didn't even have to do an app update.

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Post by Fatnino »

vore wrote: post #150
WendyTheWillow wrote: post #148

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Good thing podcasts never have false/misleading information on them...

This is an absurd argument that you are just making for the sake of argument and you know it. There's a difference between someone getting things wrong and a LLM shamelessly making something up out of the whole cloth.

Podcasts make stuff up from thin air all the time. Sometimes even maliciously.

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Post by modeless »

alchemist1e9 wrote: post #262
makapuf wrote: post #145

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And yet of all things word processing and spreadsheets are going to the cloud, or even coding. Not sure big players won't be pushing heavily (as in, not releasing their best models) for the fat subscriptions/data gathering in the cloud, even if I'd much rather see local (as in cloud at home) computing

I understand what you mean. It makes me wonder if there is room for a solution those who want to own their own hardware and data. Almost like other appliances and equipment that initial cost too much for household ownership but maybe having a “brain” in your house will be a luxury appliance for example. As a Crestron system owner I would love to plugin Jarvis to my smart home somehow.

I'm thinking I will open source mine for people who have GPUs but possibly try making a paid service for people who don't.
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