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Re: ChatGPT with voice is now available to all free users

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Post by JW_00000 »

akho wrote: post #173
vore wrote: post #150

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This is an absurd argument that you are just making for the sake of argument and you know it. There's a difference between someone getting things wrong and a LLM shamelessly making something up out of the whole cloth.

Is there a similar difference between an LLM getting things wrong and someone shamelessly making something up out of the whole cloth? That's closer to what actually happens.

I'm pretty sure that in the podcasts I listen to, no one is shamelessly making something up completely.

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Post by qwertox »

nicce wrote: post #53
qwertox wrote: post #34

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It is streamed. They also offer this as an API for developers [0]. I just wish they'd offer more languages as it currently is English only. It can speak German and Spanish, but with a very clear English accent, which makes it kind of funny and makes one think about why the accent sounds so real. [0] https://platform.openai.com/docs/guides/text-to-speech

ChatGPT version works for any language

Yes, there it sounds just perfect. The best TTS I've ever heard.

Re: ChatGPT with voice is now available to all free users

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Post by osullip »

crystaln wrote: post #196

I’ve been using this for a while now and will bring ChatGPT as an additional conversational partner when having discussions where we don’t know the topic that well. It’s wild. Very close to Star Trek land. I never thought I’d see this.

It's what people said about Google!

We went from debating a topic to Googling the answer and resolving a whole night's debate in seconds.

And I will tell you that Google didn't always get it right. Often a tweak to the search term could get the wrong answer, but win the argument.

There are three topics banned at my table. Religion, politics, AI, Sam Altman, punctuation and maths.

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Post by WendyTheWillow »

taway1237 wrote: post #213
WendyTheWillow wrote: post #183

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I guarantee ChatGPT won't lie to you about how to bake a turkey. The paranoia around hallucination is wildly overblown, especially given the low stakes of this context.

I don't know how people use ChatGPT at all. It confidently hallucinated answers to 4 out of 5 my latest "real" questions, with code examples and everything. Fortunately with code I could easily verify the provided solutions are worthless. Granted I was asking questions about my niche that were hard enough I couldn't easily Google them or find a solution myself, but I think that's the bar for being useful. The only th…

Try asking it about the Roman empire (e.g. “who was Nero?”) then checking the answer.

It’s very good at things like that. Go down a whole Roman Empire rabbit hole, have fun with it!

This is what an idle afternoon talking to ChatGPT is about, not trying to get it to do your job for you.

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Post by Martinussen »

WendyTheWillow wrote: post #215
4ggr0 wrote: post #211

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Of course the part about university classes is different, but you seem to ignore everything else I've said. There are tons of podcasts involving experts talking about their field of expertise, how can it be a mistake to listen to such podcasts to gather information?

It’s a mistake because what drives podcasts are their popularity, not their accuracy. There is no “sort by accuracy” button in any podcasting app, nor are they peer reviewed. Furthermore, podcasts are not a review of the body of knowledge on a subject; they’re often a complete layperson interviewing a single member of a given field, at best. Almost never do the views of any individual actually represent any field as…

What you just wrote makes more sense applied to LLM output than podcasts! You'd just as easily argue that "radio" or "news" is all bad if you don't want to differentiate between different forms of expression and communication within a medium. (Which, obviously, would be silly)

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Post by WendyTheWillow »

WendyTheWillow wrote: post #224
taway1237 wrote: post #213

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I don't know how people use ChatGPT at all. It confidently hallucinated answers to 4 out of 5 my latest "real" questions, with code examples and everything. Fortunately with code I could easily verify the provided solutions are worthless. Granted I was asking questions about my niche that were hard enough I couldn't easily Google them or find a solution myself, but I think that's the bar for being useful. The only th…

Try asking it about the Roman empire (e.g. “who was Nero?”) then checking the answer. It’s very good at things like that. Go down a whole Roman Empire rabbit hole, have fun with it! This is what an idle afternoon talking to ChatGPT is about, not trying to get it to do your job for you.

Here, I did it for you:

Nero was a Roman Emperor from 54 to 68 AD, known for his controversial and extravagant reign. He was the last emperor of the Julio-Claudian dynasty. Here are some key points about his life and rule:

1. *Early Life and Ascension*: Nero was born Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus in 37 AD. He was adopted by his great-uncle, Emperor Claudius, becoming Nero Claudius Caesar Drusus Germanicus. He ascended to the throne at the age of 17, after Claudius' death, which many historians believe Nero's mother, Agrippina the Younger, may have orchestrated.

2. *Reign*: Nero's early reign was marked by influence from his mother, tutors, and advisors, notably the philosopher Seneca and the Praetorian Prefect Burrus. During this period, he was seen as a competent ruler, initiating public works and negotiating peace with Parthia.

3. *Infamous Acts*: As Nero's reign progressed, he became known for his self-indulgence, cruelty, and erratic behavior. He is infamously associated with the Great Fire of Rome in 64 AD. While it's a myth that he "fiddled while Rome burned" (the fiddle didn't exist then), he did use the disaster to rebuild parts of the city according to his own designs and erected the opulent Domus Aurea (Golden House).

4. *Persecution of Christians*: Nero is often noted for his brutal persecution of Christians, whom he blamed for the Great Fire. This marked one of the first major Roman persecutions of Christians.

5. *Downfall and Death*: Nero's reign faced several revolts and uprisings. In 68 AD, after losing the support of the Senate and the military, he was declared a public enemy. Facing execution, he committed suicide, reportedly uttering, "What an artist dies in me!"

6. *Legacy*: Nero's reign is often characterized by tyranny, extravagance, and debauchery in historical and cultural depictions. However, some historians suggest that his negative portrayal was partly due to political propaganda by his successors.

His death led to a brief period of civil war, known as the Year of the Four Emperors, before the establishment of the Flavian dynasty.

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Post by WendyTheWillow »

WendyTheWillow wrote: post #226
WendyTheWillow wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try asking it about the Roman empire (e.g. “who was Nero?”) then checking the answer. It’s very good at things like that. Go down a whole Roman Empire rabbit hole, have fun with it! This is what an idle afternoon talking to ChatGPT is about, not trying to get it to do your job for you.

Here, I did it for you: Nero was a Roman Emperor from 54 to 68 AD, known for his controversial and extravagant reign. He was the last emperor of the Julio-Claudian dynasty. Here are some key points about his life and rule: 1. *Early Life and Ascension*: Nero was born Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus in 37 AD. He was adopted by his great-uncle, Emperor Claudius, becoming Nero Claudius Caesar Drusus Germanicus. He ascended…

I also did a brief fact check of a few details here and they were all correct. Zero hallucinations.

Does this make sense? Notice how little it matters if my understanding of Nero is complete or entirely accurate; I’m getting a general gist of the topic, and it seems like a good time.

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Post by numpad0 »

WendyTheWillow wrote: post #152
vore wrote: post #150

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This is an absurd argument that you are just making for the sake of argument and you know it. There's a difference between someone getting things wrong and a LLM shamelessly making something up out of the whole cloth.

No; I'm much more confident in ChatGPT's accuracy than I am in a random podcast's accuracy. Podcasts tend to be relatively terrible, accuracy wise. If the alternative is learning from ChatGPT, your odds of getting correct information is substantially higher. Podcasts are entertaining! But not where I would go to learn anything.

Problem with ChatGPT isn't that they get facts wrong, but that they're what the categorical name suggests, large language models.

At one point I came across this series of "are CJK languages related" questions in Quora with cached ChatGPT responses[1], all grammatically correct and very natural, largely turboencabulators, sometimes contradicting even within a single response.

Podcasters? They're not _this_ inconsistent.

1: https://imgur.com/a/7tlNDll

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Post by lynx23 »

pmx wrote: post #203
lynx23 wrote: post #182

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I wish I could use the mobile app on iOS. Getting a weird error when trying to login, something about date/time being wrong on my device. Since date/time is autosynced, it must be something else. I wonder why I have this tendency to hit on bugs that nobody else has...

Could there be a MITM on your connection? That could cause SSL errors that may be reported as "make sure your date and time are correct"

That MITM would have needed to follow me around, since I tried in several networks. But nothing is ruled out so far. I wish the error was a bit more informative, since my date/time settings are clearly OK, so I am kinda stuck here.

Re: ChatGPT with voice is now available to all free users

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Post by WendyTheWillow »

Martinussen wrote: post #225
WendyTheWillow wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a mistake because what drives podcasts are their popularity, not their accuracy. There is no “sort by accuracy” button in any podcasting app, nor are they peer reviewed. Furthermore, podcasts are not a review of the body of knowledge on a subject; they’re often a complete layperson interviewing a single member of a given field, at best. Almost never do the views of any individual actually represent any field as…

What you just wrote makes more sense applied to LLM output than podcasts! You'd just as easily argue that "radio" or "news" is all bad if you don't want to differentiate between different forms of expression and communication within a medium. (Which, obviously, would be silly)

Sorry what? Nothing I wrote apples to LLMs; they are not optimized for popularity, they’ve been meticulously designed and built to be as accurate as possible.
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