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Re: ChatGPT with voice is now available to all free users

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Post by baby »

pjerem wrote: post #129
baby wrote: post #113

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I just got the Rayban Meta glasses an hour ago, put them on, said "Hey Meta" and I was interacting with an AI with my voice, and hearing a response back. It's so unbelievable and surreal I don't understand why Siri/Google assistant are not doing this already. I really feel like I live in the future.

> I don't understand why Siri/Google assistant are not doing this already. My theory is that voice assistants are made to be cheap entry points to those ecosystems. LLMs, on the other hand, are incredibly expensive to run. No GAFAM wants to pay dozens of cents when you ask their assistant to switch on the lights.

looks like Meta has no problem paying. It's usable on Messenger/WhatsApp/Rayban Meta

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Post by WendyTheWillow »

bigDinosaur wrote: post #243
WendyTheWillow wrote: post #227

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I also did a brief fact check of a few details here and they were all correct. Zero hallucinations. Does this make sense? Notice how little it matters if my understanding of Nero is complete or entirely accurate; I’m getting a general gist of the topic, and it seems like a good time.

It may matter little to you that your understanding is not complete or entirely accurate, but some of my worst experiences have been discussing topics with people who think they have anything insightful to add because they read a wikipedia page or listened to a single podcast episode and then decided that gave them a worthwhile understanding of something that often instead takes years to fully appreciate. A little kn…

It also doesn’t matter to you, unless you’re claiming you only ever discuss topics you’re extremely well versed in.

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Post by WendyTheWillow »

Trixter wrote: post #269
WendyTheWillow wrote: post #227

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I also did a brief fact check of a few details here and they were all correct. Zero hallucinations. Does this make sense? Notice how little it matters if my understanding of Nero is complete or entirely accurate; I’m getting a general gist of the topic, and it seems like a good time.

This is missing the broad concern with hallucination: You are putting your trust in something that delivers all results confidently, even if they were predicted incorrectly. Your counter-argument is lack of trust in other sources (podcasts, the education system), however humans, when they don't know something, generally say they don't know something, whereas LLMs will confidently output incorrect information. Knowing…

I am continually surprised by how many people struggle to operate in uncertainty; I am further surprised by how many people seem to delude themselves into thinking that… podcasts… can provide a level of certainty that an LLM cannot.

In life, you exceptionally rarely have “enough” information to make a decision at the critical moment. You would rather know nothing than know some things? That’s not how the world works, not how discovery works, and not even how knowledge works. The things you think are certain are a lot less so than you apparently believe.

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Post by WendyTheWillow »

thfuran wrote: post #256
WendyTheWillow wrote: post #230

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Sorry what? Nothing I wrote apples to LLMs; they are not optimized for popularity, they’ve been meticulously designed and built to be as accurate as possible.

They absolutely have not been meticulously designed to be as factually accurate as possible.

https://platform.openai.com/docs/guides/fine-tuning

Yes, they have.

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Post by WendyTheWillow »

CaptWillard wrote: post #254
WendyTheWillow wrote: post #215

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It’s a mistake because what drives podcasts are their popularity, not their accuracy. There is no “sort by accuracy” button in any podcasting app, nor are they peer reviewed. Furthermore, podcasts are not a review of the body of knowledge on a subject; they’re often a complete layperson interviewing a single member of a given field, at best. Almost never do the views of any individual actually represent any field as…

>Almost never do the views of any individual actually represent any field as a whole. Setting aside the many individuals who currently lead their fields, history is filled with groundbreaking heretics. https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/mavericks-...

History is filled with many more plain ol’ heretics however, and we’re exceptionally bad at telling the difference in the meantime.

You, most importantly, are complete garbage at telling the difference between a crackpot and an innovator in a field you know nothing about.

Trying to drink unpasteurized knowledge will infect you a lot more quickly than it will enlighten you.

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Post by WendyTheWillow »

apwell23 wrote: post #265
WendyTheWillow wrote: post #152

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No; I'm much more confident in ChatGPT's accuracy than I am in a random podcast's accuracy. Podcasts tend to be relatively terrible, accuracy wise. If the alternative is learning from ChatGPT, your odds of getting correct information is substantially higher. Podcasts are entertaining! But not where I would go to learn anything.

why are you forced to listen to "random" podcasts vs podcasts by people you trust? This argument is so dishonest its infuriating.

Trust is not a rational behavior, nor is it indicative of reliability of fact.

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Post by WendyTheWillow »

bigDinosaur wrote: post #241
WendyTheWillow wrote: post #183

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I guarantee ChatGPT won't lie to you about how to bake a turkey. The paranoia around hallucination is wildly overblown, especially given the low stakes of this context.

It has lied to me about extremely basic things. It abssolutely is worth being paranoid about. You simply cannot blindly trust it.

Good thing nobody here is suggesting blind trust. The mistake being made here is thinking I’m suggesting LLMs are a good way to learn. What I am instead saying is that podcasts are not a good way to learn, and should be treated with the sane level of skepticism one holds for an LLM response.

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Post by apwell23 »

WendyTheWillow wrote: post #276
apwell23 wrote: post #265

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why are you forced to listen to "random" podcasts vs podcasts by people you trust? This argument is so dishonest its infuriating.

Trust is not a rational behavior, nor is it indicative of reliability of fact.

Sure but that doesn't make it "random" . I don't get why top comment was listening to podcasts knowing full well that you will be given possibly inaccurate facts. I have hard time accepting that podcasts are audible wikipedia, such a strange take is top voted comment.

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Post by WendyTheWillow »

apwell23 wrote: post #278
WendyTheWillow wrote: post #276

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Trust is not a rational behavior, nor is it indicative of reliability of fact.

Sure but that doesn't make it "random" . I don't get why top comment was listening to podcasts knowing full well that you will be given possibly inaccurate facts. I have hard time accepting that podcasts are audible wikipedia, such a strange take is top voted comment.

I listen to podcasts; they’re fun! But I am comfortable operating with incomplete information, and thus know how to treat a low quality source. I also chat with LLMs to better understand topics, and am better off than the folks here who can’t do that as a result.

The main thing I’m getting from this discussion is that a lot more very smart people seem to have deluded themselves into thinking knowledge is objective or “locked in” than I had initially realized. The desire for certainty is an extremely human thing, but it’s a dead end, intellectually.

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Post by apwell23 »

WendyTheWillow wrote: post #279
apwell23 wrote: post #278

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Sure but that doesn't make it "random" . I don't get why top comment was listening to podcasts knowing full well that you will be given possibly inaccurate facts. I have hard time accepting that podcasts are audible wikipedia, such a strange take is top voted comment.

I listen to podcasts; they’re fun! But I am comfortable operating with incomplete information, and thus know how to treat a low quality source. I also chat with LLMs to better understand topics, and am better off than the folks here who can’t do that as a result. The main thing I’m getting from this discussion is that a lot more very smart people seem to have deluded themselves into thinking knowledge is objective or…

yea exactly "chatgpt replaced my podcasts" is kind of silly. People don't listen to joe rogan experience to learn facts about how particular jiu jitsu choke works. I don't know what kind of podcasts op replaced with chatgpt but i call BS .
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