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Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

mc32 wrote: post #140
coffeeblack wrote: post #67

Just like in China with the anti-lockdown protests. The people who are recognisable on social media posts from the protests have all been arrested by now. They waited just long enough to make people forget about it before they picked them up one by one.

Not to defend China, as the scale and the penalties are not comparable, however, some western governments also took a relatively hard stance against some anti-lockdown protests and we're learning government was involved in muting dissenting opinions on social media which in some western countries crosses the line into censorship. The government had embeds in social media orgs. Just imagine if during the Johnson or Ni…

If you are correct, with embedded political officers and official statements I would say that this crosses from censorship to propaganda.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by phillc73 »

mrtksn wrote: post #257
poulpy123 wrote: post #201

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I've read report that Turkey bombarded part of Kurdish syria that suffered from the earthquake yesterday

I don't know about that but maybe you can donate to Syria, they were heavily affected by the quake too.

I think the Kurdish Red Crescent could be a good option for donations. They have an appeal page here:

https://www.heyvasor.com/en/banga-alikariya-lezgin-ji-bo-mex...

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by gwright »

mrtksn wrote: post #20

Erdogan's first speech was almost 2 days after the earthquake and he said "We are monitoring who said what on the social media and tried to provoke the people. Today it's not the day to go after those but we take notes and when the day comes, we will go after them". Just look at his face when delivering this speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doy38aKbMw4 It's like from V for Vendetta. The lighting choice is very…

Yet another example of why inculcating the virtues of free speech and limited government into a culture is so important. It is too easy for those in power to infringe on individual speech rights by labeling something as "disinformation" or "misinformation" as their justification.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by s1artibartfast »

macintux wrote: post #235
tradertef wrote: post #191

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As a Turk, I do not trust people who are using Turkiye in English. That is virtue signaling which is saying they are populist, nationalist etc. etc. I also find the change idiotic at the least though I understand why they did it.

When working with people of different nationalities and ethnicities I emphasize trying to pronounce their names correctly. Why is this different?

Not a Turk here, but I'm guessing it is equivalent to using latinx or Latin@. It is a signal that you are from a bubble that is out of touch with your intended audience. Most Latin people don't use these terms and don't particularly care for them, so it signals that you are more aligned with a third-party then with Latin people.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by actionfromafar »

luckylion wrote: post #232
hkpack wrote: post #114

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You probably don't understand nuances of why Russia says what, it is not only about the western values, but just a very effective tactic in the information warfare. I know about at least three major points: * Russia always blame other party of the crimes it about to commit. It ties the enemy and allies into the "you did, no your did" kind of arguments. This also helps to push all sorts of fake narratives into the ene…

I believe the Western values are what makes it an effective tactic, and it's the same reason why they're calling the Ukrainians Nazis while simultaneously running towards fascism: if you say that X is a Nazi and is committing genocide, you'll have a visceral reaction in the West that creates sympathies/doubts of other narratives in at least part of the population (this will not work the same way/to the same degree in…

Maybe... but Russia has for decades carefully tended to the WW2 mythos of Soviets defending the world against nazis.

The anti nazi propaganda is not only for foreign ears, but for domestic consumption as well. "Us against the world, who is out to get us. All current problems stem at its root from the blow dealt to us during the Great Patriotic War."

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Post by mc32 »

jquery wrote: post #247
mc32 wrote: post #158

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It depends on whether we believe in upholding the constitution or not.[1] In addition we did have people arrested for violating lockdown rules/orders. [1] and given the volatility of this comment it seems people take issue with the bill of rights.

Excerpt From Allow Me to Retort - A Black Man’s Guide to the Constitution: “Our Constitution is not good. It is a document designed to create a society of enduring white male dominance, hastily edited in the margins to allow for what basic political rights white men could be convinced to share. The Constitution is an imperfect work that urgently and consistently needs to be modified and reimagined to make good on its…

Framing it as designed to ensure the dominance of one sex and one "race" is not doing the argument any favors. If that is what they set out to do, they did a poor job at it (even the Swiss and Kuwaitis suppressed their women "better") in addition, today, there exists slavery to this day in Chad and DRC, despite it being technically illegal. That argument is further eroded by claiming it's imperfect in enabling a promise. The constitution itself is what gave us the the necessary rights (including freedom of speech itself) to right previous wrongs.

Moreover, you can have a perfectly nice constitution guaranteeing all kinds of rights and freedoms like the USSR did (and I suspect the CCP does) and not enjoy the important aspects enshrined in such document)

But that's a misdirection in any case. It's utterly authoritarian to have a government decide what is truth and what isn't. That's one of the first things authoritarians go after. We should be very weary of anyone espousing the view government should have that right.

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Post by pphysch »

coffeeblack wrote: post #70
saiya-jin wrote: post #57

This is playbook of scumbag tyrants, doesn't matter if Putin, Erdogan or similar. I for sure hope EU politicians are taking a note too, there are 2 existential threats to democratic free Europe long term - Russia and Turkey. Both have same ambitions, are on completely opposite side of all crucial values free world holds dear. Luckily their competence severely lags behind their ambitions, to think Turkey was for some…

You are underestimating the threat that CCP China is, not just to Europe but to the entire world.

No, you are just susceptible to "threat inflation". It's a very profitable industry in Washington.

One country misplaces a few weather balloons, another has hundreds of overseas military bases and bombs pipelines. Yet it's the former that is a "global threat", because the latter says so. Eye roll.

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Post by eatsyourtacos »

xg15 wrote: post #261
pictur wrote: post #219

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technologies like mastodon have nothing to do with this, you idiot. please make your shitty suggestions in other posts.

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I think the point is that if anyone of any significance was using Mastodon in this context like they are Twitter, they would just block that too.

So it's not as if Mastodon offers anything different/better in this case.

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Post by kibwen »

NotYourLawyer wrote: post #112
beefield wrote: post #87

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How do you propose western countries and social media companies fight disinformation?

The solution to bad speech is more speech. Not less.

This is a bit like saying "the darkness is bad, so the solution is light, and if the light ever becomes blinding, the solution is more light". Speech is not the point, it's just a medium for useful information. More speech is only good to the extent that it proliferates useful information. If useless spam speech is used to overwhelm useful speech, then that undermines the whole point of the principle of free speech. And with the advent of modern technology, overwhelming the useful speech is easier than ever. Our historic ideas of free speech are wholly unprepared to deal with the overflow attacks that are possible in the modern age. Is it not "censorship" to shout over someone so loudly that they can't be heard?

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

LarryMullins wrote: post #255
sockaddr wrote: post #242

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Well, there are many things in your life that you buy from China that don't have a semiconductor in it. For instance, I was shocked to find out that a lot of "Brazilian" honey was actually rebranded corn syrup imported from China and cut with low-grade Chinese honey, this all to get around U.S. import restrictions due to the lack of quality/safety regulation in China. It's expensive, it's tiring, it's hard. But, in t…

Honey is one of those things where you're best off buying it from a local producer, or not at all.

The local honey unfortunately shreds my intestines. :(

But I haven't really had honey since then so the point is moot.

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