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Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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This is one of many, many reasons why western countries and social media companies should not normalise censorship re-branded like "fighting disinformation".

Curiously, all the people that support such censorship in western countries are actually against it in this instance. Almost like whether or not they choose to support a policy depends not on what it does but instead on who it’s being done to.

I have seen the same thing, but I think the cause is more that maybe the overwhelming majority of people can’t meaningfully do abstraction? Like they blow a gasket between conceiving of individual actions and beliefs vs policies related to actions and beliefs?

So people like this will say sentences like “censorship is wrong” but implicit in the sentence for them is “censorship of correct and/or my information is wrong” because the sentence in their mind must be concretely about something like “correct information”. There’s no way for them to easily think the thought “censorship is wrong in the abstract.”

This also feels related to being able to use “veil of ignorance” type reasoning. I don’t think they know how to imagine being not only a different person, but an unknown person.

I also don’t think they know how to imagine being wrong in some sense, not in the epistemic humility sense (although, yes, that too, much of the time), but in the “suppose I’m just deeply confused about everything, how would I want to be treated? How might I recover?”

I think all these are bottlenecked on a mental abstraction ceiling, and I think all these things work together to contribute to the effects you noted.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

#252
post #20

Erdogan's first speech was almost 2 days after the earthquake and he said "We are monitoring who said what on the social media and tried to provoke the people. Today it's not the day to go after those but we take notes and when the day comes, we will go after them". Just look at his face when delivering this speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doy38aKbMw4 It's like from V for Vendetta. The lighting choice is very…

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Surprisingly, I upvoted for teaching me that the earthquake bomb was actually a thing and used in the wild:

> It was used to disable the V2 launch sites at La Coupole and Blockhaus d'Éperlecques, put out of action the V-3 cannon sites at Fortress of Mimoyecques, sink the battleship Tirpitz and damage the U-boats' protective pens at St. Nazaire, as well as to attack many other targets which had been impossible to damage before. One of the most spectacular attacks was shortly after D-Day, when the Tallboy was used to prevent German tank reinforcements from moving by train. Rather than blow up the tracks – which would have been repaired in a day or so – the bombs were targeted on a tunnel near Saumur which carried the line under a mountain. Twenty-five Lancasters dropped the first Tallboys on the mountain, penetrating straight through the rock, and one of them exploded in the tunnel below. As a result, the entire rail line remained unusable until the end of the war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake_bomb

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

#253
post #181

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You can donate here: https://ahbap.org/disasters-turkey It's an NGO that currently is crowdsourcing donations for the relief.

And there is what, precisely, to prevent Erdogan and his cronies from just seizing the funds and arresting the principals? These bank accounts are in Turkey. I would honestly be more comfortable using the likes of PayPal, as it’s less likely to be stolen by the government.

They are very quick in spending the money and don't do long term project, built a solid reputation over the years and it's founder is a Turkish Rocks star who is politically not very pronounced.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

#254

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The solution to bad speech is more speech. Not less.

DDOSing humans rarely benefits the truth. In case of cognitive overload, humans tend to favor the simple answers, not the correct one.

I really don't think that's the case. What makes you think so? In my experience exposure to more viewpoints, even flawed ones, increases understanding and helps critical thinking.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Stop buying from China means essentially buying nothing with a semiconductor. Unless you mean something else.

Well, there are many things in your life that you buy from China that don't have a semiconductor in it. For instance, I was shocked to find out that a lot of "Brazilian" honey was actually rebranded corn syrup imported from China and cut with low-grade Chinese honey, this all to get around U.S. import restrictions due to the lack of quality/safety regulation in China. It's expensive, it's tiring, it's hard. But, in t…

Honey is one of those things where you're best off buying it from a local producer, or not at all.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

#256
post #90

Turkish here. This is unbelievable, but totally expected from the current "democractic" government. Social media usage is very high in Türkiye and people are coordinating using social media (mainly Twitter) for rescue operations in near realtime. I'm pretty much sure some people will literally die under wreckage because of communication interruptions as the result of this block. (For anyone telling to use VPN, yeah,…

Off-topic: Do most people there prefer "Türkiye" or "Turkey?"

Erdogan wants English to use the Turkish spelling because he's tired of English speakers thinking of the bird when they're talking about the country.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MyNaymeIs

The funny thing is that through a bunch of funny historical accidents, the bird is literally named after the country, so we could just spell the birds türkiyes too.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

#257
post #20

Erdogan's first speech was almost 2 days after the earthquake and he said "We are monitoring who said what on the social media and tried to provoke the people. Today it's not the day to go after those but we take notes and when the day comes, we will go after them". Just look at his face when delivering this speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doy38aKbMw4 It's like from V for Vendetta. The lighting choice is very…

I've read report that Turkey bombarded part of Kurdish syria that suffered from the earthquake yesterday

I don't know about that but maybe you can donate to Syria, they were heavily affected by the quake too.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

#258

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I hope you actually went and asked everybody.

Starting with you, do you support social media censorship in the United States? And do you support social media censorship by turkey? Those are yes or no questions.

Do you support Elon's censorship of antifa accounts?

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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post #5

In the case of protests etc I'd understand the goal behind it from certain actors involved, but why in this case?

Erdogan allowed (encouraged?) careless construction in many areas with complete disregard of anti-seismic building procedures. I heard someone say: "as an earthquake brought him in power, another earthquake will remove him from power". The Turkish Govt spin doctors are likely struggling to counter the wave of public outcry, hence the bans.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

#260

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The solution to bad speech is more speech. Not less.

I see your “The solution to bad speech is more speech” and raise you a “A lie can spread around the world before the truth can get its pants on”. Call or fold?

Call. It's not about who's fastest, it's about who stays in the end. Despite us humans being a lying, cheating bunch, knowledge and access to education continues to grow all over the world. That's certainly not thanks to censorship!
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