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Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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CommieBobDole wrote: post #116
rococode wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel people said the same thing about him for SpaceX and Tesla back when he was just the wacky PayPal guy. Remember SpaceX's first launch was in 2006 (before the iPhone existed!) and it's only started getting really serious traction in the past 5 years. Elon's no stranger to things that don't have any "useful form" for well over a decade. I'm quite certain he's aware of the realistic timelines, and he sells a diffe…

That is a good point; Musk does sometimes announce things that essentially serve as a placeholder for "we're going to do this thing once the technology improves enough to make it feasible", and this is likely more of the same. But "useful humanoid robot" is way more forward-looking than anything else he's done this with; the closest thing would be the whole "full self-driving without LIDAR" thing, which keeps getting…

"Useful humanoid robot" is easily pared down to "robot toy with a vacuum cleaner attached, and some funny gestures on top of an Alexa-style Internet querying system". And a lot of promises that this time next year it'll be useful, or at least able to climb stairs. That level of technical functionality is already achievable, and the Musk brand solves the commercial problem of "but it doesn't really do very much"

Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by itsoktocry »

nixarn wrote: post #255
mrjangles wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like Musk, and I've been following his progress since 2011. I always thought he seemed very intelligent and seemed to really understand what he was doing. However I have to agree with the person you are replying to. There has been the sort of myth going around that making rockets is hard. It used to be hard... 50 years ago. That is literally the technology Musk has been using for the last 20 years: 50 year old tech…

> Furthermore, if you have been following closely, you would have seen the huge and humiliating mess ups he had with Tesla where he literally flushed billions and billions of dollars down the toilet. I have been following it closely since 2012. Not sure where he flushed the money down the toilet? And with that he still grew the company well. Without Elon Tesla would never have become the 666B company that is today. >…

>I have been following it closely since 2012. Not sure where he flushed the money down the toilet?

You have been following for that long and don't know the company continues to burn cash? That they said they'd never raise money again, and then raised money about 6 times? That if it wasn't for subsidies and funky accounting there is no profit?

Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by itsoktocry »

blueblisters wrote: post #152
CommieBobDole wrote: post #53

Musk seems to have fallen for the idea that since he's had great success in one or two areas, he can easily repeat that success in other areas, even if the difficulty is much higher and entirely different skills are required. SpaceX and Tesla are great achievements, but they are primarily stories of successfully implementing and improving existing technologies with innovative engineering and business practices (like…

Counter-argument: I remember seeing a talk by Andrej from a year or two ago and wasn't too impressed - it seemed like they had a huge amount of work left to do and put everything together for a reliable self-driving AI. Everything they showed today, from the vision models to the path planning to labeling to simulation was bleeding edge. And they seem to have managed to put everything together in what appears to be a…

If it's bleeding edge, why does it underperform the competition?

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Post by loceng »

rococode wrote: post #80
CommieBobDole wrote: post #53

Musk seems to have fallen for the idea that since he's had great success in one or two areas, he can easily repeat that success in other areas, even if the difficulty is much higher and entirely different skills are required. SpaceX and Tesla are great achievements, but they are primarily stories of successfully implementing and improving existing technologies with innovative engineering and business practices (like…

I feel people said the same thing about him for SpaceX and Tesla back when he was just the wacky PayPal guy. Remember SpaceX's first launch was in 2006 (before the iPhone existed!) and it's only started getting really serious traction in the past 5 years. Elon's no stranger to things that don't have any "useful form" for well over a decade. I'm quite certain he's aware of the realistic timelines, and he sells a diffe…

There's aiming for timeline and realistic timeline (4x expected, and perhaps 4x that too) to which he seems to shares the former; he may not consciously pay attention to the latter though and that may apply a needed pressure on himself to focus to make sure things are moving along as quickly as possible.

Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by loceng »

mrjangles wrote: post #146
rococode wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel people said the same thing about him for SpaceX and Tesla back when he was just the wacky PayPal guy. Remember SpaceX's first launch was in 2006 (before the iPhone existed!) and it's only started getting really serious traction in the past 5 years. Elon's no stranger to things that don't have any "useful form" for well over a decade. I'm quite certain he's aware of the realistic timelines, and he sells a diffe…

I like Musk, and I've been following his progress since 2011. I always thought he seemed very intelligent and seemed to really understand what he was doing. However I have to agree with the person you are replying to. There has been the sort of myth going around that making rockets is hard. It used to be hard... 50 years ago. That is literally the technology Musk has been using for the last 20 years: 50 year old tech…

It's organization that's hard, pulling the trigger trusting your decisions are correct, Musk seems to excel at this; more important are the Boards of Directors and leadership hierarchy that trust his process enough, and arguably he's right enough more than he's wrong.

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Post by itsoktocry »

csmeder wrote: post #167
CommieBobDole wrote: post #53

Musk seems to have fallen for the idea that since he's had great success in one or two areas, he can easily repeat that success in other areas, even if the difficulty is much higher and entirely different skills are required. SpaceX and Tesla are great achievements, but they are primarily stories of successfully implementing and improving existing technologies with innovative engineering and business practices (like…

Haha, and then in 10 years when He announces X you will say: “since he’s had great success in pioneering self landing reusable rockets, starting a colony on Mars, pioneering the EV market, pioneering Robo taxis, making the first commercial humanoid robots, moving traffic underground, adding computers to people’s brains, he has now fallen for the idea that he can easily repeat that success in other areas like X” This…

You will never be wrong, because you will always tell other people "it's coming". That's the whole trick.

Elon promised a coast to coast self driving demonstration 5 years ago, and they are nowhere close. Is that a failure yet in your eyes?

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Post by itsoktocry »

imron wrote: post #123
CommieBobDole wrote: post #53

Musk seems to have fallen for the idea that since he's had great success in one or two areas, he can easily repeat that success in other areas, even if the difficulty is much higher and entirely different skills are required. SpaceX and Tesla are great achievements, but they are primarily stories of successfully implementing and improving existing technologies with innovative engineering and business practices (like…

> I don't see this happening in any useful form in the next 5-10 years. The way it will get to a useful form after 5-10 years is projects like this.

Projects like what? They have nothing but a person in a leotard and a silly slide deck.

Meanwhile other companies have been actively working on the problem for years.

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Post by itsoktocry »

perryizgr8 wrote: post #270
shawabawa3 wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Waymo isn't a car manufacturer so of course they haven't sold cars They're selling rides in phoenix though

Yeah then what's the point? I can already order Uber and someone drives me. The main allure of self-driving is that I have my car, that drives me around, without involving anybody else.

The point is self driving, and Waymo has superior tech.

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Post by me_me_me »

joakleaf wrote: post #208

If Musk was really serious about this, he would start with smaller steps: 0) Finish the tentacle charging robot they demoed in 2015 (roll out to superchargers) 1) Build delivery robot on wheels using FSD (like the Starship Technology's robots). These could be used on hospitals, possibly warehouses, pizza delivery, cleaning streets, painting lanes on roads, ... 2) Build dog-like robot, like Boston Dynamics's spot with…

> he is selling a _sci-fi dream_

At this stage this is a fever dream. They can get a car autodrive on highways but somehow they will build a bipedal robot that will navigate spaces.

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Post by me_me_me »

sixQuarks wrote: post #28
paxys wrote: post #19

Add it to the long list of Elon projects permanently in a state of releasing "next year".

Sure, you can say that, but name another person with a more impressive track record of actual accomplishments.

Ford, Edison comes into head right away and thats just US inventors/entrepreneurs.

Musk has more failed/moronic ideas that there are models of teslas.

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