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Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by legostormtroopr »

handmodel wrote: post #46
autoexec wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Industrial use will certainly happen. Personal use not so much though. By the time robots are feasible you'd be crazy to have one in your home. Like all new tech these days robots will be leveraged against you at every opportunity. They'll be constantly recording audio and video and reporting the events and contents of your household to companies and to the state. Maybe the legal changes will happen eventually to pre…

I'm still befuddled what the industrial applications are. At some point a car factory had people moving stuff around and screwing things in and out. Now we have arm robots and conveyor belts and other machines which do not resemble humans at all but are obviously way better. We still have humans involved but I think the best way to minimize how often they are on the floor is with better specialized tools. I feel this…

Converting supermarkets to dark stores. Supermarket by day, robot driven fulfillment centre by night. Using humaoids to pushing and fetching items from a human-centric store.

Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by tenpies »

sixQuarks wrote: post #28
paxys wrote: post #19

Add it to the long list of Elon projects permanently in a state of releasing "next year".

Sure, you can say that, but name another person with a more impressive track record of actual accomplishments.

Jeff Bezos.

I'll put it to you another way: if Tesla vanished tomorrow, life wouldn't really change. There may be a few brownouts in a corner of the planet as Tesla batteries vanish and power generators kick in, but life would largely be the same. EV adoption would continue sans Tesla just fine. Self-driving would probably even improve because there wouldn't be the risk of one greedy company, guinea-pigging people and ignoring laws for the sake of share price and potentially bringing the wraith of regulators on the sector.

If Amazon vanishes, Western civilization collapses. That's it. There'd be riots on the street. Critical infrastructure would cease to work for months. Entire supply chains would fall apart and billions of people would be impacted negatively. And it's not like the world would go on. It would take years for competitors to spin up the capacity to replace the void Amazon vanishing would cause in multiple industries.

And the beauty is that while Musk is clearly obsessed with Bezos, I don't think Bezos really thinks about Musk much at all. Just like we can tell that Musk checks the share price multiple times per day, but I suspect Bezos has no idea what Amazon's share price is at unless he's selling to fund other ventures. Also importantly, Bezos has set things up so when he dies, Amazon goes on just fine. If Musk dies, that's the end of Tesla.

Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by TigeriusKirk »

csmeder wrote: post #167
CommieBobDole wrote: post #53

Musk seems to have fallen for the idea that since he's had great success in one or two areas, he can easily repeat that success in other areas, even if the difficulty is much higher and entirely different skills are required. SpaceX and Tesla are great achievements, but they are primarily stories of successfully implementing and improving existing technologies with innovative engineering and business practices (like…

Haha, and then in 10 years when He announces X you will say: “since he’s had great success in pioneering self landing reusable rockets, starting a colony on Mars, pioneering the EV market, pioneering Robo taxis, making the first commercial humanoid robots, moving traffic underground, adding computers to people’s brains, he has now fallen for the idea that he can easily repeat that success in other areas like X” This…

I'm bookmarking this comment in my browser.

Given how rarely I clean my bookmarks, I'm sure I'll still have it in 10 years to visit. Naming the bookmark "Open 8/19/2031"

Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by fogof »

mrjangles wrote: post #169
cryptoz wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm no Musk fan but this > If he had never pursued reusability he would have made far, far more money from his launch business. Strikes me as short term thinking and not true, also. The plan is to sell tickets at $400,000 each to get to Mars. There doesn't seem to be any way to achieve that without reusability. The money to be made from founding the first Mars colony supplied with reusable rockets completely dwarfs s…

First, no one denies that reusability is still not profitable. This includes Musk himself and heads of all the other rocket companies who have all made it clear they aren't pursing it because these is simply no business case for it. At best maybe recovering the fairings or engines could be profitable for now. > The plan is to sell tickets at $400,000 each to get to Mars. His Starship is set to hold 40 people on the t…

> First, no one denies that reusability is still not profitable. This includes Musk himself and heads of all the other rocket companies who have all made it clear they aren't pursing it because these is simply no business case for it.

What? Here is "Musk himself" saying in a tweet that Falcon 9 only needs to be reusable 3 times to make sense economically.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1295883862380294144?s=20

Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by tenpies »

sschueller wrote: post #190

At what point are people going to realize Elon is peddling vaporware to keep afloat? What's next? cold fusion?

It's amazing, isn't it? Somehow the dancer in the robot unitard wasn't an "emperor has no clothes" moment, or more aptly a "Nikola pushing a truck down a hill" moment.

That's on top of the news that the Cybertruck just got delayed. Again. We're approaching the two year mark of Tesla taking deposits for a product that they don't even have a final design for.

Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by unityByFreedom »

Tesla's announcements leave me with a sinking feeling we won't see anything for at least 5 years after they're announced, if ever. I miss Jobs and his iPod, iPhone, and nano announcements. Those were huge and they were available within months after the presentation.

Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by joakleaf »

If Musk was really serious about this, he would start with smaller steps:

0) Finish the tentacle charging robot they demoed in 2015 (roll out to superchargers)

1) Build delivery robot on wheels using FSD (like the Starship Technology's robots). These could be used on hospitals, possibly warehouses, pizza delivery, cleaning streets, painting lanes on roads, ...

2) Build dog-like robot, like Boston Dynamics's spot with a "hand".

...

3+n) Try to build humanoid robot.

Each smaller step would provide Tesla with the experiences needed to take the next step, as well as an actual sellable product.

This is what a sane CEO would do.

I get that Honda and Boston Dynamics have humanoid robots, but they've worked on them for 30 years, and they are not talking about selling them as a generic product.

Musk is not serious about this. Just like the boring company (see Las Vegas Loop as example), he is selling a _sci-fi dream_ to people either as a distraction, to pump the share price, to attract new talent, or to brand himself, Tesla and the other Musk-companies.

As a shareholder, this actually makes me quite concerned about the sanity of the leadership, the distraction it will cause internally in Tesla, and about the fact that they are starting R&D into something new, while there is still plenty of other more reachable products, they have presented but still haven't delivered. Tesla is a vulnerable company, and they are losing focus.

The worst part is, I suspect that he will (need to) present an even more impossible thing in 2022/2023 to keep the hype-train rolling.

Now, where is that charging robot that actually looked like it worked in 2015?

Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by kamray23 »

cryptoz wrote: post #153
mrjangles wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like Musk, and I've been following his progress since 2011. I always thought he seemed very intelligent and seemed to really understand what he was doing. However I have to agree with the person you are replying to. There has been the sort of myth going around that making rockets is hard. It used to be hard... 50 years ago. That is literally the technology Musk has been using for the last 20 years: 50 year old tech…

I'm no Musk fan but this > If he had never pursued reusability he would have made far, far more money from his launch business. Strikes me as short term thinking and not true, also. The plan is to sell tickets at $400,000 each to get to Mars. There doesn't seem to be any way to achieve that without reusability. The money to be made from founding the first Mars colony supplied with reusable rockets completely dwarfs s…

That ticket price is very, very optimistic. With it's 1200 t of fuel, the starship eats 240 t of methane and 960 t of oxygen. The price for methane is around 80 cents per litre, 240 t is 520 m^3 ish, so thats $420 000. Oxygen on the other hand seems to cost $10.6/kg, giving you a number of $12 000 000. Rounds out to 12 million per a single fueling. If the Starship carries 40 people that's just enough to bring the fuel cost of the LEO -> Mars trip down to $300 000. The first trip to space must cost the same amount in Starship fuel only so that's at least $600 000 per person in fuel. And this is all ignoring the Super Heavy, which will probably raise the cost over a million, in fuel alone.

Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by jes5199 »

llsf wrote: post #189
jes5199 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s an intentional distraction. The vector map stuff is a reply to last week’s news cycle where the FTC and the NHTSA are both probing the safety of the self-driving systems, but the robot announcement is to make sure no one discusses the “gosh we made the AI better” claims.

This event was planned way before the recent probing. This was an event to inspire and recruit bright minds. I doubt it has anything to do with FTC or NHTSA, or even Tesla owners. It was not to announce a new version of the FSD. It was job fair.

it can have more than one purpose
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