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Re: The NBA bans customers from putting ‘freehongkong’ on customized league jerseys

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The healthcare thing doesn't jive with what I've heard from my native Chinese friends; I've heard if you have the right connections (and by association, wealth) you can get exactly what you need, but without that you can't get anything.

On the contrary, I believe most people will be better off with the Chinese healthcare system than the U.S. one, because nobody go bankrupt from going to the doctor. Office visit cost at most $20 - that's without insurance. Every thing has a fixed price, so you will never get a surprise bill afterwards. If you insist on visiting the best doctor in the field, wait time can be long; but otherwise you can walk into the h…

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I felt kind of misled by your post by the time I finished reading it.

US healthcare is notorious for its problems so I was ready to believe your initial statement. But actually you say:

1. "Nobody goes bankrupt from going to the doctor", but "if you get rare / serious condition you can still get ruined financially". Those two statements are direct contradictions of each other.

2. "you can walk into the hospital and be seen pretty quickly" but also ... "it's not unheard of that critical treatment is delayed because the patient is trying to find money". Again, being seen pretty quickly and not being seen because you're trying to find money are in direct conflict.

Nowadays more and more people begin to purchase commercial health insurance - which are still an order of magnitude cheaper than the U.S. ones

Everything in China is cheaper than in the US. It's still a poor country.

Honestly both systems sound just as bad as each other, or rather, the Chinese system sounds far worse. I'd rather be alive and bankrupt, rather than refused treatment entirely, because I didn't have the cash at the exact moment I fell ill or there was some SNAFU with payment systems.

If more and more people choose to buy health insurance, that sounds like China is well on the way to a US style model as it develops.

Re: The NBA bans customers from putting ‘freehongkong’ on customized league jerseys

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For those in an (economic) position to emigrate, China lacks nothing in a material sense. Cars, electronics, clothes - they're not only available, they're well within the purchasing power of these people. In fact, what I dislike most about modern China is the endless gleaming shopping malls full of the same (mostly Western) brands. But not everything is material, and creativity and freedom of expression definitely ha…

In fact, what I dislike most about modern China is the endless gleaming shopping malls full of the same (mostly Western) brands. Isn't that the point the OP is making though? That China is full of western brands that seem to outcompete local brands, yet PRC propaganda keeps claiming the rest of the world is using the wrong economic model.

The comment I responded to was asking “what can Chinese people get in the West that they can’t get in China”.

My point is that whatever it is, it’s not material goods. It’s something more ephemeral. Whether that’s democracy, creativity, or simply a slower pace of life due to not competing with 1 billion other people - who knows.

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As I admitted, it's purely anecdotal - I'm not denying that there are a lot of Chinese who do in fact return. But net migration is still negative, meaning there's more people leaving China than returning. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/CHN/china/net-migratio... . I'm not sure how that figure is calculated, but I also wonder if it under-represents "pseudo-migrants" who claim to be living/holidaying temporarily…

China literally has a billion more humans than the US. Is it really "freedom of expression" they want or just the lack of competition and the increase in living space?

Also very possible.

Re: The NBA bans customers from putting ‘freehongkong’ on customized league jerseys

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>Chinese people who study abroad are more often confused by the things missing in the west than they are liberated in the way you describe, in my experience. As someone who has never been to China could you list some things the West is missing?

> As someone who has never been to China could you list some things the West is missing? It's been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, but it's worth reiterating - safety. China is one of the safest places in the world. I literally never had a single concern for the physical well-being of my mother, my wife, anyone - no matter what part of the city they were in, or what time of the day. Worth mentioning that I've fou…

I live in Melbourne. Can I ask what parts of life here felt unsafe? I live out the suburbs in a moderately expensive area and not much happens here at night. Is it "youth gangs" in the city that caused the issue?

Re: The NBA bans customers from putting ‘freehongkong’ on customized league jerseys

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> As someone who has never been to China could you list some things the West is missing? It's been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, but it's worth reiterating - safety. China is one of the safest places in the world. I literally never had a single concern for the physical well-being of my mother, my wife, anyone - no matter what part of the city they were in, or what time of the day. Worth mentioning that I've fou…

I live in Melbourne. Can I ask what parts of life here felt unsafe? I live out the suburbs in a moderately expensive area and not much happens here at night. Is it "youth gangs" in the city that caused the issue?

Mainly the CBD. The area around Elizabeth St/Flinders St is particularly rife (unsurprising that's where I had to defend myself from assault on a Tuesday evening at 8pm). Not youth gangs, but homeless and drug addicts. Constant incidents in Melbourne Central, too.

Not just the CBD though - almost every time I caught the 57 tram, there was some kind of screaming match or altercation (none involving me, thankfully). Visiting St Albans at night, I was treated to roving groups of young men smashing windows and helping themselves to whatever they felt like. Even the train back was really sketchy too.

That's without mentioning the Eurydice Dixon and Aiia Maasarwe cases, which were really unsettling.

I never worried about any of this stuff in China. There were literally zero occasions where I felt physically unsafe. Whereas Melbourne? Every time I was in the CBD after dark, I felt I needed to be on guard - and I'm a physically capable male.

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As I admitted, it's purely anecdotal - I'm not denying that there are a lot of Chinese who do in fact return. But net migration is still negative, meaning there's more people leaving China than returning. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/CHN/china/net-migratio... . I'm not sure how that figure is calculated, but I also wonder if it under-represents "pseudo-migrants" who claim to be living/holidaying temporarily…

China literally has a billion more humans than the US. Is it really "freedom of expression" they want or just the lack of competition and the increase in living space?

Anecdotally, when I came back to my 1+ million people city in Europe from a vacation in China I immediately noticed the silence, the few people around, the short lines and the open sky. Of course my city is renowned /s in the rest of the country for the noise, the crowd, the long lines and the tall buildings covering the sky.

Re: The NBA bans customers from putting ‘freehongkong’ on customized league jerseys

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For those in an (economic) position to emigrate, China lacks nothing in a material sense. Cars, electronics, clothes - they're not only available, they're well within the purchasing power of these people. In fact, what I dislike most about modern China is the endless gleaming shopping malls full of the same (mostly Western) brands. But not everything is material, and creativity and freedom of expression definitely ha…

Not sure how much of that is political rights, and how much of it is just less competitive pressure abroad because of lower population. Easier to get into colleges and find jobs. Might want to ask and confirm.

> less competitive pressure abroad

Or in other words, better quality of life? Yes, you can drive a new beemer, have a house with a pool and and 3 holidays abroad every year in China too -- if you are the one in a hundred to win the job lottery and work 60 hours a week not to get sacked (or if your daddy is a CCP aristocrat).

In the US/Western Europe/Japan at least half the people can affort that upper-middle class living standard, while only working 40 hours.

It's less competitive pressure because everyone can achieve it.

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This is why I'm not hot on big corporations virtue signalling to us consumers. It seems that they all have moral, entanglements (to borrow Jada Pinkett's parlance), with China that they cannot seem to reconcile. But they want to lecture us about important cause du jour? Please! Spare me the self righteousness.

IIRC McDonalds banned black people in China, however they virtue signal about BLM in the USA.

https://heavy.com/news/2020/04/mcdonalds-bans-black-people-c...

Coke Cola used to be pretty pro Nazi back in the 1930s.

https://www.adbranch.com/coca-cola-ads-in-nazi-germany/

Corporations don't care about anything other than keeping the money coming in. So they will support any cause as long as it seems trendy.

Re: The NBA bans customers from putting ‘freehongkong’ on customized league jerseys

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> It's been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, but it's worth reiterating - safety. Maybe if you're Chinese. Right after college, a friend of mine (white American) worked in a job where he spent time at a factory in China, until he got stabbed in the lunch room by some older worker. He's fine, and while there is may be a degree of safe, it's definitely a question of safe for whom.

I won't pretend that violent crime doesn't exist, I've certainly witnessed it first hand. I'm mainly talking random street violence, which is far, far rarer than somewhere like Australia. I'm fairly sure that applies to most of "the West", too.

I'm curious how you know this. Neither Chinese statistics nor news are reliable at all, and especially won't be reliable about basic quality of life issues like this where the government is highly incentivised to make their society seem really safe and controlled.

So that leaves anecdotes and personal experience. How many direct experiences of violent crime in both places have you had, and how do you know this generalises?

Re: The NBA bans customers from putting ‘freehongkong’ on customized league jerseys

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Economics can explain so much. There is a huge cost to the NBA if they stand with Hong Kong. There is also a very small cost to the NBA and or more probably no cost at all if they fully embrace other movements such as BLM. People upset about this are upset because the NBA (and other sports leagues and media) have become more socially active or political lately but they still refuse to speak up on topics that hurt the…

I don't exactly get it...will Chinese people just start enjoying a different sport if they think few people in basketball don't like how mainland China treats Hong Kong? What sport isn't going to have athletes using the bully pulpit for their cause, which sometimes is HK?

No, the CCP will censor the NBA out of the country if they stand for things like Free Hong Kong.
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