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its funny to me that you can put "fuck the police" on NBA jersey but you can't put "freehongkong". its kinda double standards, isn't it?

NBA really want that Chinese market. i find it interesting that Western corporation is willing to abandoned the western values they championed for money or rather i guess Corporation don't give a fuck about anything as long as they make money.

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The implication of this question is pretty rude, but also, CCP membership isn't terribly meaningful. See, e.g. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/15/us/politics/china-travel-...

not a party member btw. Am Chinese. I will follow up here on any questions you(qbaqbaqba or anyone else) have though. and if you are interested here's my thought on the whole topic in one piece: https://medium.com/@theseadroid/the-china-problem-ce0c1a0e57...

I read and appreciate that blog post. Yet to address any China problems without recognizing any Chinese government fallacies means we're not even having a complete discussion here. I acknowledge the fear of including them, but one's stance on government policies is required to really get their thought on the whole topic.

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This shouldn't be surprising to people. The NBA has a bigger fanbase in China than in the USA. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-09/china-s-5...

> This shouldn't be surprising to people. The NBA has a bigger fanbase in China than in the USA. I disagree. The size of the fanbase is surprising, and so is the implication of this behaviour

It's what you get when the leading factor determining your values is profit. The NBA doesn't have American values, it has Capitalist values.

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The next generation will realize how pretending to be for a cause is worse than not supporting it. I saw an ad for bamba socks. For every pair you buy we will give a pair to a homeless shelter. Sounds good but those socks are like 25/30 dollars for a pair. If they really cared they would take that 25 dollars and buy cheap white warm socks in bundles. For 25 dollars you could get 100 pairs. But they don't care but do…

I'd never heard of this brand so I had a look. I'm not sure where you got 25-30 dollars from. The average seems somewhere around $10-15/pair. https://bombas.com/collections/mens-ankle-socks And those cheap white 100% cotton socks you mention are not at all warm (especially when wet), durable or odor resistant. The company claims to donate socks that are at least as good as the ones you purchased, if not better. https…

100 pair of clean white dry socks to hand out to the many homeless is so much better than one branded pair with better quality.

If you are able to give one homeless person 100 pairs it makes a bigger difference because washing fancy socks isn't possible and they can add additional socks for layers.

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China's great if you have a decent amount of money -- labor's cheap, so all sorts of stuff (food prep, transportation, delivery services) that's heavy on labor is dirt cheap in China even if it's unaffordable in the West. But racism... speaking as a rich white guy who was treated as nicely as you'd generally expect, even I could tell it wouldn't be fun to be an ethnic minority there. Chinese ethnic minorities visitin…

But you were an ethnic minority too when you were in China right? I never understood this line of thinking though - the way you describe it sounds like it was out of pure curiosity rather than racism. It's interesting seeing the difference of how people define racism based on who they are and where they grew up. For example - racism in Australia can be seen through racial slurs and physical violence from the moment t…

I wasn't a local ethnic minority, which makes all the difference.

And "curiosity" doesn't quite explain it. It's curiosity plus lack of respect. Local political bosses are undoubtedly subjects of similar curiosity, but everyone respects (and/or fears) them enough to be courteous.

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America’s organizations want access to the Chinese market and, absent any regulations to the contrary, when necessary are willing to compromise the values of our American Way of Life. But those regulations are (finally) coming. In the meantime, when they are caught doing things like this, they risk being attacked on Twitter by the President.

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yes, seconded. China isn't North Korea or the USSR. Don't take for granted that the West is "better", at this point China is looking over and saying "prove it" Can you blame Chinese citizens for preferring the stability and prosperity of their own regime, when they have the current disarray of American democracy to compare to? Frankly I would argue that the Chinese have a much better understanding of the US than the…

> Can you blame Chinese citizens for preferring the stability and prosperity of their own regime, when they have the current disarray of American democracy to compare to? Let's ask the Chinese citizens in Hong Kong how they feel about the stability and prosperity of their regime, shall we?

Great idea. Let’s ask the business owners and working class citizens. They don’t want the freedoms “mobs” for sure

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Your comment is about 15 years out of date. There isn’t much that is “excellent beyond what is available” in China anymore. This type of thinking is why western foreign policy continues to get China totally wrong. Chinese people who study abroad are more often confused by the things missing in the west than they are liberated in the way you describe, in my experience.

> There isn’t much that is “excellent beyond what is available” in China anymore. Democracy and freedom of thought. Despite your experience of Foreign Chinese Students being confused rather than liberated by the West...in my experience I’ve never met a Foreign Chinese Student that didn’t want to permanently relocate to Canada or the US.

For those in an (economic) position to emigrate, China lacks nothing in a material sense. Cars, electronics, clothes - they're not only available, they're well within the purchasing power of these people. In fact, what I dislike most about modern China is the endless gleaming shopping malls full of the same (mostly Western) brands.

But not everything is material, and creativity and freedom of expression definitely have an impact. I have a reasonably large circle of Chinese acquaintances via my wife, and anecdotally, I've never met a single emigrant who actually returned.

A lot of them definitely complain regularly about how much better China is, but none of them actually pack up and head back. I think that's telling.

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