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Post by stolsvik »

theseadroid wrote: post #207
everettp wrote: post #204

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If your only examples are North America and China, it may feel like there is a direct tradeoff between safety and privacy. But that would be a false analysis: most Western nations have far lower rates of violent crime than the United States, without the need for omnipresent surveillance.

maybe. I've lived in Europe for a bit and it's a bit better but not to the point I feel safe everywhere during the night in cities(but at least I dont live in fear of getting hit by cars that much). And other than China I've mentioned I feel safe during night in Japan, Taiwan, or Singapore. Again I'm not sourcing any data here because it's just my personal experience of whether I'd feel safe in cities during night.

Check out Scandinavia/Nordics..

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Post by rumanator »

pmontra wrote: post #131
throwaway2474 wrote: post #117

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Your comment is about 15 years out of date. There isn’t much that is “excellent beyond what is available” in China anymore. This type of thinking is why western foreign policy continues to get China totally wrong. Chinese people who study abroad are more often confused by the things missing in the west than they are liberated in the way you describe, in my experience.

Examples? From my direct experience from a 3 weeks journey 5 years ago: A super app like WeChat. I'm happy we don't have one because super app == super control. (BTW WhatsApp was still legal back then.) A ban on gas powered small motorcycles. All of them were electric, some with a retrofitted electric engine, some natively electric. I wish we did the same. I can't think about other things that were or could look bett…

> A ban on gas powered small motorcycles. All of them were electric, some with a retrofitted electric engine, some natively electric. I wish we did the same.

That doesn't take a totalitarian oppressive regime like the one forced into China by China's communist party. In some European cities old cars or diesel-powered cars are banned from city centers, and certain types of bikes are only allowed on some zones.

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Post by rumanator »

theseadroid wrote: post #200
pmontra wrote: post #131

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Examples? From my direct experience from a 3 weeks journey 5 years ago: A super app like WeChat. I'm happy we don't have one because super app == super control. (BTW WhatsApp was still legal back then.) A ban on gas powered small motorcycles. All of them were electric, some with a retrofitted electric engine, some natively electric. I wish we did the same. I can't think about other things that were or could look bett…

Here's one of the most important things I can think of that's pushing me back to China more and more each day: I live in one of the major NA cities and I dont feel safe walking outside after dark (after 8pm). I have a friend got robbed on knifepoint around 11pm this past March. The case hasn't been closed. Numerous friends' homes got broke in and stuff stolen and cases are all cold. And I was almost hit by a left tur…

> Yes I miss getting my privacy striped away by all the CCTV cameras and feeling safe.

I'm sorry to break it to you but that feeling is nothing more than a feeling. There is no assurance of safety from CCTV camera coverage. There is only the assurance that the ruling regime is spying on you. Case in point: I personally know of a case where a popular restaurant was robbed at gunpoint in a city area that was extensively covered by a network of CCTV cameras, and still the robbery was never solved.

And the robbery looked like an internal job.

So no, CCTV coverage does not mean safety. If it was, London would be crime-free, and it's one of Europe's capitals with he highest crime rate.

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Post by lostmsu »

oneweekwonder wrote: post #269
whoevercares wrote: post #134

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Half joke/half serious: 1. Food(any objection?) 2. Public transportation: high speed rail road 3. Huge and fancy malls: USA is behind believe it or not 4. E-payment & WeChat: Chinese people think differently. 5. Food delivery and all kinds of half-day delivery 6. Free of Racism: invisible ceiling 7. Cultural recreational activities that you don’t understand 8. Crowded.

> 2. Public transportation: high speed rail road Heh, it is easy to do high speed rail roads if you don't value human life. [0] [0]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/25/chinese-rail-c...

To be fair, in US trains fail similarly at relatively very low speeds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Washington_train_derailme...

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Post by ptx »

bllguo wrote: post #236
ptx wrote: post #164

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> preferring the stability and prosperity of their own regime That's a bit of an unwarranted assumption. Even hinting that you have a different preference or questioning the reports of stability and prosperity (even privately among friends on WeChat, which is monitored and censored) can get you invited for a nice cup of tea with the local police.

Reports? They literally are experiencing stability and prosperity. People went from rural villages without electricity to towering megacities in a generation. Honestly I find it rather insulting that you'd rather believe they're all hiding their true preferences than try to see their perspective.

The point is that we don't know the degree of stability, prosperity and preference for the CCP because any data that contradicts this narrative is suppressed.

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Post by jobigoud »

whoevercares wrote: post #134
pmontra wrote: post #131

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Examples? From my direct experience from a 3 weeks journey 5 years ago: A super app like WeChat. I'm happy we don't have one because super app == super control. (BTW WhatsApp was still legal back then.) A ban on gas powered small motorcycles. All of them were electric, some with a retrofitted electric engine, some natively electric. I wish we did the same. I can't think about other things that were or could look bett…

Half joke/half serious: 1. Food(any objection?) 2. Public transportation: high speed rail road 3. Huge and fancy malls: USA is behind believe it or not 4. E-payment & WeChat: Chinese people think differently. 5. Food delivery and all kinds of half-day delivery 6. Free of Racism: invisible ceiling 7. Cultural recreational activities that you don’t understand 8. Crowded.

> Food(any objection?)

I've only been to China once (Guanzhou), but it was very hard to find vegetarian food. Everything everywhere seems to have duck or pork in it. The variety is definitely lacking compared to Europe or North America.

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Post by __m »

dlivingston wrote: post #255
Dahoon wrote: post #157

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How is that different from using a service in the states where the NSA spies on everything?

A key difference is that PRISM was a scandal, a massive stain on the reputation of the NSA, and behavior that the majority of Americans condemned and will roundly condemn again if exposed. Can the same be said about China on such state surveillance behavior? ---- On an aside, but related to the broader conversation, the YouTube channel AsianBoss regularly visits China and conducts very revealing interviews with Chine…

Wait, you think prism was discontinued?

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Post by thu2111 »

nmfisher wrote: post #220
throwaway_kufu wrote: post #208

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> There isn’t much that is “excellent beyond what is available” in China anymore. Democracy and freedom of thought. Despite your experience of Foreign Chinese Students being confused rather than liberated by the West...in my experience I’ve never met a Foreign Chinese Student that didn’t want to permanently relocate to Canada or the US.

For those in an (economic) position to emigrate, China lacks nothing in a material sense. Cars, electronics, clothes - they're not only available, they're well within the purchasing power of these people. In fact, what I dislike most about modern China is the endless gleaming shopping malls full of the same (mostly Western) brands. But not everything is material, and creativity and freedom of expression definitely ha…

In fact, what I dislike most about modern China is the endless gleaming shopping malls full of the same (mostly Western) brands.

Isn't that the point the OP is making though? That China is full of western brands that seem to outcompete local brands, yet PRC propaganda keeps claiming the rest of the world is using the wrong economic model.

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Post by bmn__ »

throw776546 wrote: post #239
chongli wrote: post #70

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Because the CCP is a totalitarian government whose dictator banned Winnie the Pooh [1] after he was offended by a couple of memes. If people started wearing “freehongkong” jerseys it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility that the NBA gets banned in China. Clearly the NBA does not want this. Critics are right to hold the NBA’s feet to the fire for this kowtowing behaviour. A lot of people are unaware of the degr…

Winnie the Pooh is not banned, despite what that article says. You can easily buy Winne the Pooh toys, books, and entertainment in China. There’s even a huge Winnie the Pooh ride in Shanghai Disney.

That's the wrong point, you misunderstand the situation.

The article was about caricatures and the movie, which both were definitely and verifiably censored and suppressed. (As usual, the bans are unevenly and arbitrarily enforced.)

You talk about toys and books, which are not a problem.

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Post by thu2111 »

gruez wrote: post #175
jcranmer wrote: post #156

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> Chinese ethnic minorities visiting Beijing are themselves something of a tourist attraction; tour guides leading Westerners around point and stare and talk about those minorities sort of the way you'd point and stare and talk about a wild animal you found roaming the streets. On a related note, in the 2008 Olympics in Beijing, China saw fit to have the flag be brought in by 56 children wearing the traditional costu…

>They were all Han. dumb question: is it possible to tell?

Yes. Here's a picture of the what the Uighurs look like. The ones currently thrown in concentration camps and into forced labour:

https://muslimmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/uyghur.jpg

With Tibetans it's harder to tell for western eyes, but they look a bit more like native Americans do/did:

http://162757811.blogspot.com/2015/06/stop-genocide-tibetan-...

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