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The NBA bans customers from putting ‘freehongkong’ on customized league jerseys

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Re: The NBA bans customers from putting ‘freehongkong’ on customized league jerseys

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Post by oh_sigh »

frogpelt wrote: post #100

Economics can explain so much. There is a huge cost to the NBA if they stand with Hong Kong. There is also a very small cost to the NBA and or more probably no cost at all if they fully embrace other movements such as BLM. People upset about this are upset because the NBA (and other sports leagues and media) have become more socially active or political lately but they still refuse to speak up on topics that hurt the…

I don't exactly get it...will Chinese people just start enjoying a different sport if they think few people in basketball don't like how mainland China treats Hong Kong?

What sport isn't going to have athletes using the bully pulpit for their cause, which sometimes is HK?

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Post by ImprovedSilence »

nmfisher wrote: post #224
thedrbrian wrote: post #126

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>Chinese people who study abroad are more often confused by the things missing in the west than they are liberated in the way you describe, in my experience. As someone who has never been to China could you list some things the West is missing?

> As someone who has never been to China could you list some things the West is missing? It's been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, but it's worth reiterating - safety. China is one of the safest places in the world. I literally never had a single concern for the physical well-being of my mother, my wife, anyone - no matter what part of the city they were in, or what time of the day. Worth mentioning that I've fou…

> It's been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, but it's worth reiterating - safety.

Maybe if you're Chinese. Right after college, a friend of mine (white American) worked in a job where he spent time at a factory in China, until he got stabbed in the lunch room by some older worker. He's fine, and while there is may be a degree of safe, it's definitely a question of safe for whom.

Re: The NBA bans customers from putting ‘freehongkong’ on customized league jerseys

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Post by oh_sigh »

acid__ wrote: post #31
atarian wrote: post #22

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>It is illegal to purchase counterfeit goods. Bringing them into the United States may result in civil or criminal penalties. https://www.cbp.gov/FakeGoodsRealDangers

Realistically though, CBP isn't going to come after you if you're buying a few hundred bucks of apparel for personal use.

There are well known open air markets in downtown Manhattan where everyone goes for counterfeit goods. If that place stays open, I really doubt getting one jersey with freehongkong written on it is going to set off their alarm bells.

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Post by moate »

supernova87a wrote: post #222
Hnaomyiph wrote: post #158

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People are upset because more and more companies are ceding to a government which is actively committing genocide, suppresses ideas and free speech of its own people, all so that these companies can make more money.

How about not buying the shirt then, instead of complaining about the message you're helping to fund while buying it?

I mean, people would prefer to not have to walk away from the things they enjoy.

You're being a little pointedly obtuse here. People want the world to reflect their values. Very few political vegans would prefer to ignore that there are still restaurants serving meat, they'd rather the culture shift away from that sort of practice. Similarly, people would prefer the sport they enjoy watching not support the government policies they don't support.

"Why not just ignore anything you don't like" isn't how the world works.

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Post by ASalazarMX »

11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #83

Here's another angle. The increasing censorship within China leaves less and less opportunity for the greater Chinese population to learn about the capabilities of other countries. A few examples of excellence that are still available to Chinese citizens are the NBA, Apple products, US education and Tesla cars. Most nations export excellence of some type to China. Having these examples in their hands or on their scre…

> A few examples of excellence that are still available to Chinese citizens are the NBA, Apple products, US education and Tesla cars.

I disagree on NBA (sportsmen are not a sign of overall excellence in a country), and Apple (high-end Huawei phones are ridiculously more advanced than apple in hardware terms). USA Education still has a great reputation, and most Musk enterprises are awesome and inspiring.

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Post by kbaker »

theseadroid wrote: post #205
auganov wrote: post #202

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According to this ZDNet article [0] 14% of Chinese internet users use a VPN daily. If you do the math that's roughly 7% of the Chinese population. > We talk in person, during lunch or on dinner tables, in office. When we talk politics online we invent new words to avoid auto detection. The recent hot topic is this: ... basically some guy got detained because he whistleblowed something food safety related. We talk pol…

Please dont break my sentence half way. Western media has been doing that and they wonder why the Chinese ppl are not receptive of their messages or ideas. I feel it's too impolite so I will not follow up on the rest. Sorry.

I don't think any re-wording of your statement was intended by breaking up your sentence, it is pretty common to abbreviate when quoting, even mid-sentence. At least I hope it was not intended... I can see that the quoted part makes it into a different statement.

Personally I appreciate your insight on this topic, I feel it is difficult to have a good discussion on these sorts of topics with all the misinformation going around.

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Post by nmfisher »

ImprovedSilence wrote: post #242
nmfisher wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As someone who has never been to China could you list some things the West is missing? It's been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, but it's worth reiterating - safety. China is one of the safest places in the world. I literally never had a single concern for the physical well-being of my mother, my wife, anyone - no matter what part of the city they were in, or what time of the day. Worth mentioning that I've fou…

> It's been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, but it's worth reiterating - safety. Maybe if you're Chinese. Right after college, a friend of mine (white American) worked in a job where he spent time at a factory in China, until he got stabbed in the lunch room by some older worker. He's fine, and while there is may be a degree of safe, it's definitely a question of safe for whom.

I won't pretend that violent crime doesn't exist, I've certainly witnessed it first hand.

I'm mainly talking random street violence, which is far, far rarer than somewhere like Australia. I'm fairly sure that applies to most of "the West", too.

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Post by ma2rten »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #188
throwaway2474 wrote: post #184

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Transportation, not healthcare. High speed rail is ridiculously good, it connects just about every major Chinese city, it’s affordable, very comfortable and fast. I would consider healthcare an exception, it may be affordable but outside of a few expensive clinics in Beijing and Shanghai it’s really bad. Mobile payments are way ahead of other places (you can pay any random person you meet instantly with your phone, a…

> WeChat translate CN-EN is miles ahead of Google. That's interesting! At the same time, deepl.com is also miles ahead of Google, so I'm not all that impressed by Google Translate anymore. (Deepl itself is impressive is heck!)

Are you sure about that? I think DeepL was ahead for a brief time after it was released, but Google Translate has caught up.

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Post by hatsunearu »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #245
11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #83

Here's another angle. The increasing censorship within China leaves less and less opportunity for the greater Chinese population to learn about the capabilities of other countries. A few examples of excellence that are still available to Chinese citizens are the NBA, Apple products, US education and Tesla cars. Most nations export excellence of some type to China. Having these examples in their hands or on their scre…

> A few examples of excellence that are still available to Chinese citizens are the NBA, Apple products, US education and Tesla cars. I disagree on NBA (sportsmen are not a sign of overall excellence in a country), and Apple (high-end Huawei phones are ridiculously more advanced than apple in hardware terms). USA Education still has a great reputation, and most Musk enterprises are awesome and inspiring.

>high-end Huawei phones are ridiculously more advanced than apple in hardware terms

Source on this? Doesn't seem like it...

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Post by magicsmoke »

nmfisher wrote: post #220
throwaway_kufu wrote: post #208

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> There isn’t much that is “excellent beyond what is available” in China anymore. Democracy and freedom of thought. Despite your experience of Foreign Chinese Students being confused rather than liberated by the West...in my experience I’ve never met a Foreign Chinese Student that didn’t want to permanently relocate to Canada or the US.

For those in an (economic) position to emigrate, China lacks nothing in a material sense. Cars, electronics, clothes - they're not only available, they're well within the purchasing power of these people. In fact, what I dislike most about modern China is the endless gleaming shopping malls full of the same (mostly Western) brands. But not everything is material, and creativity and freedom of expression definitely ha…

Not sure how much of that is political rights, and how much of it is just less competitive pressure abroad because of lower population. Easier to get into colleges and find jobs. Might want to ask and confirm.
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