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DEF CON 32 Was Canceled. We Un-Canceled it

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Re: DEF CON 32 Was Canceled. We Un-Canceled it

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #209
johnnyanmac wrote: post #133

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>But canceling an already scheduled event because of low revenue per guest doesn't seem very likely to me? Not to be TOO snarky, but given how quickly corporate cancels employee labor despite rising revenue, it would not surprise me for other corporate to also cancel "low paying customers" for "high paying customers". Loyalty is beyond dead so cancelling a contract is just a cost of business if they feel the alternat…

> it would not surprise me for other corporate to also cancel "low paying customers" for "high paying customers" At least going by all the entrepreneurship articles I've read over the decade, "firing your customers" is a term of art, and a recommended approach for dealing with unprofitable and/or annoying customers - so I guess this shouldn't be surprising. > Loyalty is beyond dead so cancelling a contract is just a…

> Not to be TOO snarky

Repeating this verbatim in your reply means you are trying to be pretty snarky, fyi.

Re: DEF CON 32 Was Canceled. We Un-Canceled it

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Post by alephnerd »

tempaccount420 wrote: post #267
alephnerd wrote: post #243

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Convention space and room blocks are fairly cheap to rent in Las Vegas. No other city in North America has a similar amount of space or options for low cost block booking. Also, plenty of DefCon attendees and sponsors are also attending BlackHat at around the same time, so it makes it easier to justify expensing most of the cost as an employee.

> No other city in North America has a similar amount of space or options for low cost block booking Not even in Mexico? You know, the country that's part of North America? Why not just say America?

> Not even in Mexico

Yep. Not even in Mexico. The largest expo center in Mexico is Expo Guadalajara, which is smaller than Salt Lake City's Salt Palace Expo Center.

> You know, the country that's part of North America

Ik it is. I'm usually the one who reminds people about that on HN

Re: DEF CON 32 Was Canceled. We Un-Canceled it

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Post by boringg »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #271
TeMPOraL wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it would not surprise me for other corporate to also cancel "low paying customers" for "high paying customers" At least going by all the entrepreneurship articles I've read over the decade, "firing your customers" is a term of art, and a recommended approach for dealing with unprofitable and/or annoying customers - so I guess this shouldn't be surprising. > Loyalty is beyond dead so cancelling a contract is just a…

> Not to be TOO snarky Repeating this verbatim in your reply means you are trying to be pretty snarky, fyi.

I mean they were both being intentionally snarky. The second snarky comment was used in a mocking tone because the first comment didnt seem to have much empirical evidence to support it

Re: DEF CON 32 Was Canceled. We Un-Canceled it

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Post by verandaguy »

merlincorey wrote: post #230
verandaguy wrote: post #95

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I don't have a ton of love for politicking, but security researchers and staff engineers, a lot of the time, are people who either have a career in a really interesting area in infosec and can bring a lot to the table as teachers/presenters, or people who want to get into that area and who'd benefit massively from a place like DEF CON considering how accessible its talks, demos, and villages are to people of all skil…

> TOOOL still has some of the best workshops and tutorials on the conference floor and usually has some people who'll talk about breaking open Medecos or Fichets to anyone who'll listen. While you're over there look around for the Tamper Evident Village and we'll happily demonstrate and allow you to try removing Tamper Evident Seals of various kinds.

Also very cool stuff. I always see TEV bogged down with tons of people so after 4 cons I still haven't had a chance -- and while I have to miss this year, I'll hopefully swing by next year and check it out!

Re: DEF CON 32 Was Canceled. We Un-Canceled it

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Post by andy800 »

hyperhopper wrote: post #251
kstrauser wrote: post #79

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I can think of plenty of in-hotel bars packed with DEF CON attendees 24 hours a day during the conference.

The linq bar turned into a 24hr party after the bomb threat last year

A bomb threat last year? Hmmm, I wonder why Caesars chose not to renew the contract.

Re: DEF CON 32 Was Canceled. We Un-Canceled it

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

huytersd wrote: post #163
killjoywashere wrote: post #105

You know, why the fuck is DEFCON in August, in Vegas? Like, you know a nice place to visit in August? Kodiak, Alaska. Portsmouth, Maine. Sydney. List of places I would never want to visit in August? Vegas. Houston. Vegas. New Orleans. Vegas. Mumbai? Maybe. Baghdad? Definitely not. Also, Vegas. My friends in Christ, why, does anyone, think Vegas is a good idea in August?

That’s the stupidest thing I’ve heard. It’s nice and hot in Vegas in August. Alaska? At best it’s fucking 50F, that’s deeply uncomfortable. Walking around in that feels like I’m dying inside. Also, it’s a goddamn convention not a business meeting. People want to drink, watch some shows, gamble a little bit, walk around on the strip. Have a good time in general. What the fuck are you gonna do in Alaska?

> It’s nice and hot in Vegas in August

A high of 40C / 104F is not generally considered "nice".

Re: DEF CON 32 Was Canceled. We Un-Canceled it

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Post by Pikamander2 »

sph wrote: post #211
Eji1700 wrote: post #142

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Vegas makes a fuckload of money off everyone who thinks they’re smart but doesn’t understand statistics

There are only two types of people: those that believe they can outsmart the house, and those that never gamble.

A strange game; the only winning move is not to play.

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Post by lostlogin »

rowyourboat wrote: post #258
GuB-42 wrote: post #227

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Do they still exist? They have closed most of the gaps previously exploited by card counters, and continuous shufflers are everywhere. I think the only ones who can make money are those playing poker and are really good at it. That's because they are playing against other players and not the bank. They still have to beat the rake. I'm not even sure comp players, that is those who play to get non-cash rewards like tra…

Card counting isn't cheating, it's how you play card games.

Until the houses realises and chucks you out.

Re: DEF CON 32 Was Canceled. We Un-Canceled it

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Post by busterarm »

Klonoar wrote: post #197
busterarm wrote: post #101

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All of the more recent years that I did DEF CON I was with large groups of people going to high end restaurants and (ab)using the hotel bars. In fact the hotel bars were always packed. My suspicion is that Caesars is trying to do something like play with headcount. Late summer is not just a weak time for conferences but DEF CON needs a ton more space and a ton more human babysitting across that space than any other c…

IIRC EVO only moved because they outgrew the space/slot they'd been working in. The other reply to you outlines Black Hat. I very much doubt there's any conspiracy here.

I wasn't suggesting there was?

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Post by yreg »

darkwater wrote: post #254
yreg wrote: post #214

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If that was true, the house wouldn't throw people out for suspected card counting.

If they threw you out, you clearly didn't outsmart them.

You don't always get thrown out. Part of the game is monitoring the atmosphere on the floor and behave accordingly in order to not get thrown out.

Even if you do get thrown out it is already after you have won some money thanks to your edge and therefore 'outsmarted' them.

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