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DEF CON 32 Was Canceled. We Un-Canceled it

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Re: DEF CON 32 Was Canceled. We Un-Canceled it

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I suspect Caesar's dropped DEF CON because the DEF CON attendees likely have a fairly low "avg revenue per attendee" yield because fewer of them gamble compared to the avg Vegas conference attendee. They also probably spend less on high-end restaurant dining and bar drinking inside the hotel. Since the pandemic Vegas has had a pretty strong resurgence in general and this may be a sign that Caesar's is doing well enou…

All of the more recent years that I did DEF CON I was with large groups of people going to high end restaurants and (ab)using the hotel bars. In fact the hotel bars were always packed.

My suspicion is that Caesars is trying to do something like play with headcount. Late summer is not just a weak time for conferences but DEF CON needs a ton more space and a ton more human babysitting across that space than any other conference. You don't see EVO or BlackHat getting cancelled (same exactly time window) because they're pretty contained in one place.

My guess is that Caesars needs to staff up a little for DEF CON or that they may even be considering reducing staffing in late summer. Con attendees are going to stay at their properties and use their bars/restaurants/tables anyway.

...although now that I think about it, EVO was moved up 2 weeks and has a new unannounced venue this year, so maybe this isn't isolated to DEF CON. ...and also the Venetian is having its convention space renovated until 2026...

Re: DEF CON 32 Was Canceled. We Un-Canceled it

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I'm surprised any hacker of any standing would want to give the corrupt state of Nevada any tax money whatsoever.

This kind of comment on HN is always fascinating. Is it just simple trolling? Is it cosplay? Is it someone new (or old) to “hacking” sincerely trying to “no true scotsman” attending def con?

Re: DEF CON 32 Was Canceled. We Un-Canceled it

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You know, why the fuck is DEFCON in August, in Vegas? Like, you know a nice place to visit in August? Kodiak, Alaska. Portsmouth, Maine. Sydney. List of places I would never want to visit in August? Vegas. Houston. Vegas. New Orleans. Vegas. Mumbai? Maybe. Baghdad? Definitely not. Also, Vegas. My friends in Christ, why, does anyone, think Vegas is a good idea in August?

Re: DEF CON 32 Was Canceled. We Un-Canceled it

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post #99

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Doubtful, I'm sure it's related to the constant attacks against their infrastructure they must defend against (let's be honest, I'm sure Caesars is not defending successfully). The juice just ain't worth the squeeze. They have a business to run, and the risk of having a bunch of drunken and high hackers who happen to be the best in the world running amuck is not their idea of a good corporate event.

> the constant attacks against their infrastructure they must defend against (let's be honest, I'm sure Caesars is not defending successfully) If there's any place in the private sector where I'd expect security (including digital security) to be literally top notch, a casino would be it. And casinos don't fuck around. If they catch some "uber haxor" laying a finger on their networks, you can bet they'd have him arre…

Last year was pretty bad for digital security in Vegas

Re: DEF CON 32 Was Canceled. We Un-Canceled it

#108
post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doubtful, I'm sure it's related to the constant attacks against their infrastructure they must defend against (let's be honest, I'm sure Caesars is not defending successfully). The juice just ain't worth the squeeze. They have a business to run, and the risk of having a bunch of drunken and high hackers who happen to be the best in the world running amuck is not their idea of a good corporate event.

> the constant attacks against their infrastructure they must defend against (let's be honest, I'm sure Caesars is not defending successfully) If there's any place in the private sector where I'd expect security (including digital security) to be literally top notch, a casino would be it. And casinos don't fuck around. If they catch some "uber haxor" laying a finger on their networks, you can bet they'd have him arre…

Ummm, they did get hacked and held for ransom (paid millions) and lost untold millions more in revenue just recently.

Re: DEF CON 32 Was Canceled. We Un-Canceled it

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post #85

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Gambling isn’t the big margin for the casino and hackers aren’t immune to gambling. Most people who gamble know the odds aren’t in their favor.

You can view their financial statements [1]. I am sure the 'casino' category includes things besides gambling, but it looks like the largest share of their revenue. [1] https://investor.caesars.com/news-releases/news-release-deta...

Be sure to subtract expenses. So for 2022 you have 2500 for casino, 500 for food, 1500 for hotel, 800 for "other." And there's definitely some counterintuitive accounting going on there, because that 2500 would imply a profit margin of 41% on casino, but Vegas regulations require gaming machines to pay out at least 75%, leaving a profit margin max of 25%. The card games and other games of skill wouldn't have such restrictions, but it seems pretty difficult to imagine that they'd be high enough margin to result an overall of 41%.

Re: DEF CON 32 Was Canceled. We Un-Canceled it

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You know, why the fuck is DEFCON in August, in Vegas? Like, you know a nice place to visit in August? Kodiak, Alaska. Portsmouth, Maine. Sydney. List of places I would never want to visit in August? Vegas. Houston. Vegas. New Orleans. Vegas. Mumbai? Maybe. Baghdad? Definitely not. Also, Vegas. My friends in Christ, why, does anyone, think Vegas is a good idea in August?

Vegas is great in August. It might be super hot but it's also dry. Whenever I go out to DEF CON, I take a day to go out quadding around the desert and shoot some guns outdoors.

The whole damn strip is air conditioned and misted so it's not really a problem. A few years back I participated in a scavenger hunt during DEF CON and it was taxing but I would do it again.

New Orleans is hell on earth that time of year though -- never again.

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