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Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by goykasi »

verdverm wrote: post #270
bnewbold wrote: post #262

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all public account content is in a "repo", commits to the repo are signed, and the identity resolution mechanism gives anybody the current/active signing key. the most direct analogy is to signed git commits. this is an intentional design decision compared to signing individual messages/posts/etc. A "proof" for a single record in the repo is the commit, the record, and the chain of merkle tree nodes connecting the tw…

Who signs new nodes in the tree? The server or the content creator? What prevents a server from creating content for anyone? So you can confirm it was not changed, but cannot confirm that the original addition came from the real person? I don't see anything in the docs that talk about cryptographic signatures or key management.

From what I can tell after digging into the code, the server is responsible for signing everything. I was really hoping that users would have more control in regards to this. I have a similar concern, what prevents the server from publishing without the users consent?

Also, I keep seeing discussion about being able to move identities to a new server, but to do that, you need to update your corresponding DID Document -- currently published to https://plc.directory/. Again, that has to be done with the sigining key. What if a server refuses? Is the user stuck and forced to recreate the account/history somewhere else?

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by joelg »

mort96 wrote: post #213
SeanAnderson wrote: post #22

I would just like to say that I am excited for Bluesky to exist. It might go poorly, but I'm unwilling to write off weird attempts at innovation before the technology has had a chance to evolve in the wild. I've seen several posts lately that have made me feel like the HN sentiment towards Bluesky is negative. Throwing them under the bus for the domain validation mistake. Hatred at commercialization of a protocol. Qu…

I don't understand why they wouldn't implement ActivityPub-federation. Instead of strengthening the best federated social network, they chose to undermine it. Why?

on bluesky (sorry) the devs have been super active and responsive and eager to explain their approach. they have talked about this specific choice at length - that after an extensive ecosystem review and lots of thought, it seemed like a different architecture had a better chance of working at scale. I hope they find the time to explain this more publicly but it’s definitely a decision they didn’t make lightly.

More generally, I have a ton of respect for the standardization process and for the amount of (mostly volunteer!) engineering over the years that had gone into fediverse, but it’s been so long and growth has been so slow that I don’t think it’s unreasonable for a new project to try something different.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by pabs3 »

SeanAnderson wrote: post #258
pabs3 wrote: post #211

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Pidgin still interfaces with everything, including walled gardens like Facebook :) https://pidgin.im/plugins/

Holy moly, you just made my day. I will have to give it a shot. I thought that once all the walled gardens developed their own protocols that it was dead in the water!

All the walled gardens supported in the old days of Pidgin were reverse engineered, same goes for the modern walled gardens. The tools for reverse engineering of protocols (like Wireshark) have only gotten better since then.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by 0xy »

afguoibiobio wrote: post #245
0xy wrote: post #207

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>Last time Jack Dorsey was in charge of Twitter, they did essentially nothing about CSAM. I am going to assume you have no evidence Twitter's new management is more active in combating child porn. You can, I'm sure, find evidence of them claiming they're taking a stand, but what they've actually done is gut the safety and moderation teams. The rise of hateful speech, on the other hand, is quite clear. We have seen a…

>terrorists organizations like ISIS, many of them "verified"

How terrible. Got a link to a single ISIS verified account?

>downranks left-wing organizations

Source?

>IQ statistics without using them as a pseudo-scientific fig leaf to justify genocide

I haven't seen a single IQ researcher who uses their research to advocate genocide. Got any links for proof?

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by pabs3 »

SeanAnderson wrote: post #258
pabs3 wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pidgin still interfaces with everything, including walled gardens like Facebook :) https://pidgin.im/plugins/

Holy moly, you just made my day. I will have to give it a shot. I thought that once all the walled gardens developed their own protocols that it was dead in the water!

Please note that Pidgin is still GTK2 but there is a GTK4 version in the works that has a more modern interface. I think they welcome donations to make that go more quickly.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by account42 »

pabs3 wrote: post #277
SeanAnderson wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Holy moly, you just made my day. I will have to give it a shot. I thought that once all the walled gardens developed their own protocols that it was dead in the water!

Please note that Pidgin is still GTK2 but there is a GTK4 version in the works that has a more modern interface. I think they welcome donations to make that go more quickly.

Where can we donate to keep the GTK2 interface as long as possible?

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by account42 »

zimpenfish wrote: post #233
Gigachad wrote: post #121

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It works pretty well on email. When I mark a user as spam or set up a filter rule, all of their content goes direct to spam or even deleted if I want. Doesn't bother me at all. Email has also dealt with the spam issue mostly. If you blast me with too many emails, you get put on a spammer blacklist and servers will just drop the content without delivering it. It also isn't a crime to be unwillingly sent illegal conten…

> It works pretty well on email. As someone who has been running mail servers for 20 years, no, it does not. I'm sure other mail admins will agree.

> I'm sure other mail admins will agree.

Don't be.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by account42 »

krapp wrote: post #84
morkalork wrote: post #70

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It's funny to see people advocate for a classist system of nobility hundreds of years later. Please, tell us more about how you'd like to restrict a social network to those who are, as they say, "well bred".

You think it's classism akin to advocating for bloodline nobility to want a community of people who follow the rules and make positive contributions? Do you even know where you are right now?

The goal and the means are not the same thing.
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