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Post by thepasch »

K0balt wrote: post #257
1ucky wrote: post #85

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Why would they use their most expensive model when sonnet or opus can do the job as well?

In my experience sonnet I have no reason to believe that the next generation won’t offer similar gains in verification, and there is some evidence to support that the cybersecurity implications are the result of exactly this expansion of ability.

It depends on how you review. In an orchestrated per-task review workflow with clearly defined acceptance criteria and implementation requirements, using anything other than Sonnet (handed those criteria and requirements) hasn’t really led to much improvement, but it drives up usage and takes longer. I even tried Haiku, but, yeah, Haiku is just not viable for review, even tightly scoped, lol.

Siccing Sonnet on a codebase or PR without guidance does indeed lead to worse results than using Opus, though.

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Post by unethical_ban »

ethbr1 wrote: post #74
honzaik wrote: post #64

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last week's "truth" ( https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1164091464198... ) "I am willing to risk the giving up of my Rights and Privileges as a Citizen for our Great Military and Country! Our Military Patriots desperately need FISA 702, and it is one of the reasons we have had such tremendous SUCCESS on the battlefield."

The most surprising thing about watching the Trump trainwreck has been in how spineless he is about any personal ideological conviction. He cares about perceptions of him. He cares about power and money. But past that it's literally... whoever was last in the room with him. Which in this case was obviously Palantir. And 50 days ago was Hegseth.

It was his selling point. The people who voted for him don't care that he has no ideological conviction. They like that he is instinctively against "liberals". It just so happens that those are the people giving him less money and groveling.

The low-brow term for this is "owning the libs", but I believe it's really what's happening. It doesn't matter his personal moral failures or inconsistency, as long as he sets back social progress.

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Post by mcmcmc »

Geezus_42 wrote: post #226
JackFr wrote: post #155

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More importantly in the United States we have certain rights which cannot be abridged, even by a majority of the electorate though the government.

Except the politicians just ask their rich friends to do the things they aren't allowed to do and then act like there's nothing they can do.

And that makes autocracy better somehow? Democracies are designed to evolve. If government corruption is a problem, we as citizens have the power to change that. Laws can be passed to add controls, fund enforcement, require transparency.

Write to your reps and demand it. Call their offices and rattle their gates. If they don’t make it happen, vote in someone who will.

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Post by pixl97 »

sheepscreek wrote: post #255
maebert wrote: post #59

The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest (I’m Not saying ethical, just brilliant). The commercial gains are one side of course. But consider this: Gets labelled supply chain risk by the pentagon. Hypes up what they claim to be the most advanced hacking tool on the planet. This puts the US government into a loose / loose position. Either deny the NSA acc…

Mythos is most certainly not hype. I think it might be the agent with most agency as of today (ability to get really difficult shit done on its own). I believe that it most certainly is not hype. A realization just struck me that guarding the model weights (which are probably in the realm of a few TB) should be of utmost importance. Essentially - having access to them and a small NVIDIA cluster is all it takes for an…

>pulling that off by gaining access to the weights

This was a point in the AI 2027 videos you see on youtube. That model weights would be a subject of active attack by nation states and that governments would start requiring AI companies to treat them like munitions when securing them.

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Post by pamcake »

jeremyjh wrote: post #27
goolz wrote: post #22

The pace at which we sprint toward a full blown surveillance state, with unaccountable oracles sentencing us for pre-crime, is alarming to say the least.

You realize Mythos can read this, right? I, for one, welcome our new AI overlords.

Hyped. Even little projects Mythos everywhere.

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Post by TheGRS »

maebert wrote: post #59

The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest (I’m Not saying ethical, just brilliant). The commercial gains are one side of course. But consider this: Gets labelled supply chain risk by the pentagon. Hypes up what they claim to be the most advanced hacking tool on the planet. This puts the US government into a loose / loose position. Either deny the NSA acc…

I'm kind of surprised that C-suite folks fall for this marketing ploy when many of them are typically very close to the sales process in very high stakes areas. I guess it just shows you that anyone is susceptible to a well done grift. On second thought I'm thinking back through the history of C-suite decisions I've seen first and second hand and I'm not surprised at all.

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Post by anonym29 »

jubilanti wrote: post #171
anonym29 wrote: post #119

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The FedGov has not constructed a single one of the buildings it uses. It pays contractors to build them using stolen money. Also, the $7T is clear evidence of incompetence. The FedGov collected $5.3T in theft revenue last year. This is why it's nearly $40T in debt. Incompetent bureaucracy sitting atop a monopoly on violence that would make Pol Pot blush that so routinely spends so much more money than it steals that…

By that logic, Google, Amazon, WalMart, and every other government on the planet have not constructed a single one of the buildings it uses either. Nor has any organization except a self sufficient prepper or hippie commune. And even then I bet they all had to hire some contractors. Also by that logic all taxation is theft, which sure buddy, go live out your libertarian fantasies in Somalia.

Somalia has four governments, not zero. More government, more problems.

Also, while I have plenty of grievances with Google and Amazon, neither of them (nor Walmart) has ever forced customers to give them money under implied threat of sending a SWAT team to your house at 3 AM, throwing a flashback through your window, and having a team of men armed with assault rifles abduct you and throw you in a cage for not paying them money that you never voluntarily agreed to pay them.

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Post by pixl97 »

notpachet wrote: post #132
ethbr1 wrote: post #68

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'Anthropic is / isn't lying about Mytho's capabilities' is the less interesting conversation. The more interesting one is: 1. Assuming even incremental AI coding intelligence improvements 2. Assuming increased AI coding intelligence enables it to uncover new zero day bugs in existing software 3. Then open source vs closed source and security/patch timelines will all need to fundamentally change Whether or not Mythos…

> Which begs questions about whether closed source will provide any protection (it doesn't appear so, given how able AI tools already are at disassembly?) Disassembly implies that you're still distributing binaries, which isn't the case for web-based services. Of course, these models can still likely find vulnerabilities in closed-source websites, but probably not to the same degree, especially if you're trying to mi…

You're still at the point that any known or unknown disclosure of your binary puts you at risk. At best it's a false sense of security.

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Post by j-bos »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #211
latexr wrote: post #118

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> The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest Isn’t that just the same strategy OpenAI has used over and over? Sam Altman is always “OMG, the new version of ChatGPT is so scary and dangerous”, but then releases it anyway (tells you a lot about his values—or lack thereof) and it’s more of the same. Pretty sure Aesop had a fable about that. “The CEO who crie…

They way they've published hashes of the bugs it has found so that once those bugs are fixed they can responsibly disclose them while also proving that they weren't lying... that displays a willingness to dabble in evidence which is far beyond anything OpenAI has done to support their claims.

This. I see much cheap naysaying without referenece to the vuln hashes. If it is smoke and mirrors, then the naysayers should loudly shout down the specific hashes and when they get revealed, or don't, then they will have done a great service to dissuading fake claims to world changing tech.

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Post by pixl97 »

orochimaaru wrote: post #243
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #232

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I've heard this POV before, I just re-read it again, and I genuinely do not understand which part of it you think shows Anthropic is anything but innocent. To me it seems pretty clear: Emil Michael heard that Anthropic was asking questions about how their system was used, and he thinks that attitude is an unacceptable security risk. He won't accept the use of systems that were developed based on "their constitution,…

My impression was that Dario was happy to grant case by case exceptions. But Emil did not want that. I mean why setup claude at DoW where the goal is surveillance and targeting (possibly autonomous).

>happy to grant case by case exceptions

Which makes more sense, the world isn't a black and white place with clear abstractions.

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