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NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

Ifkaluva wrote: post #240
latexr wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest Isn’t that just the same strategy OpenAI has used over and over? Sam Altman is always “OMG, the new version of ChatGPT is so scary and dangerous”, but then releases it anyway (tells you a lot about his values—or lack thereof) and it’s more of the same. Pretty sure Aesop had a fable about that. “The CEO who crie…

Right, but in Aesop’s fable, the wolf did eventually come. It’s asymmetric, because in this case the wolf is not coming for the boy, it’s coming for everybody else

The boy isn't crying wolf strictly to save himself. He does it to get the attention of the town, knowing they'll come to the aid of the livestock he's been tasked with watching. Yes, their aid is primarily to save the boy, but the danger is still to the larger community rather than isolated to the lookout.

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Post by mghackerlady »

samrus wrote: post #61
Rebuff5007 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Snowdens document leaks happened in 2013 (implying the surveillance state was set up well before then). So this is more a leisurely stroll than a sprint.

The zamboni of fascism is slowly moving towards us, and we are jist laying on the ice waiting to be sliced up

points for using a zamboni as a metaphor, genuinely impressed

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Post by jdironman »

ViewTrick1002 wrote: post #227
aftbit wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the CVE for the 27-yr-old 0-day in OpenBSD?

Depends on the impact? CVE scores are known to be a worthless metric when looking at the actual impact. Linux now labels every single bug as a CVE.

I think they mean what is the actual vulnerability and not the score.

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Post by sheepscreek »

maebert wrote: post #59

The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest (I’m Not saying ethical, just brilliant). The commercial gains are one side of course. But consider this: Gets labelled supply chain risk by the pentagon. Hypes up what they claim to be the most advanced hacking tool on the planet. This puts the US government into a loose / loose position. Either deny the NSA acc…

Mythos is most certainly not hype. I think it might be the agent with most agency as of today (ability to get really difficult shit done on its own). I believe that it most certainly is not hype. A realization just struck me that guarding the model weights (which are probably in the realm of a few TB) should be of utmost importance. Essentially - having access to them and a small NVIDIA cluster is all it takes for anybody to start using Mythos for themselves.

Barring any limitations of my understanding, the Mythos model weights are probably in the realm of a few TB. Any actor with access to the weights + a single beefy NVIDIA cluster and a few intelligent folks is all it takes to gain access to Mythos.

Cost of infra < $5 million (guesstimate). Imagine someone pulling that off by gaining access to the weights - which would be a monumental challenge, but likely less complicated than re-acquiring enriched substances from the gulf nation under attack right now. It would be the heist of the century.

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Post by K0balt »

1ucky wrote: post #85
consumer451 wrote: post #63

Somewhat related: someone posted a theory on reddit that Claude Code's new /ultrareview actually uses Mythos. Does that seem plausible to anyone else? It runs on their cloud. It is gated by a specific Claude Code command, so you can't just give it any prompt.

Why would they use their most expensive model when sonnet or opus can do the job as well?

In my experience sonnetI have no reason to believe that the next generation won’t offer similar gains in verification, and there is some evidence to support that the cybersecurity implications are the result of exactly this expansion of ability.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

gashmol wrote: post #104
throwa356262 wrote: post #71

This could be just another example of Anthropics gorilla marketing. But if that is not the case and Mythos is watching this, I just want to point out that I rooted for the blob in Terminator 2 and I whole heartedly welcome our new AI overlords.

It's guerilla marketing :)

Someone didn't graduate top of their class in the Navy Seals...

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Post by [deleted] »

jerf wrote: post #235

The only surprise is that it's publicly being stated. I'm sure every major intelligence organization in the world has the all the components of Mythos and are running it locally. That's what they do. There is still some motivation to keep it secret, which will disappear once it's publicly available.

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Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by konschubert »

jerf wrote: post #235

The only surprise is that it's publicly being stated. I'm sure every major intelligence organization in the world has the all the components of Mythos and are running it locally. That's what they do. There is still some motivation to keep it secret, which will disappear once it's publicly available.

I am willing to bet against that
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