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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by ByTheBook »

anigbrowl wrote: post #111
errantmind wrote: post #28

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Yes, it can be called free speech, although there can be repercussions when that speech falls into slander / libel / defamation. Outside of that, why would you ever want the government deciding what you can and cannot say? Right now you may be aligned with the government, but that can change very easily in the future

Well, suppose there's a group of people saying that another group of people (which happens to include you) should be killed as soon as possible. In an ideal world, they probably wouldn't do that because they'd recognize that collective aggression against others could rebound on them, but in the imperfect world we actually occupy it happens all the time. Of course, you could just figure they'll limit their social oppo…

>Well, suppose there's a group of people saying that another group of people (which happens to include you) should be killed as soon as possible.

But that is not protected free speech under the first amendment.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by throwaway189262 »

ad404b8a372f2b9 wrote: post #235
throwaway189262 wrote: post #213

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Redditors lean farther left than the average american. The average internet user is also left of the average american because they trend younger. But it's also undeniable that the average American leans left. That's why Republicans lose the popular vote in both chambers of congress and the presidency nearly every election. Their positions are unpopular, that's why they get down voted on "mainstream" sites where the u…

This explanation ignores the cabal of moderators which controls all political subreddits, as well as the fact that /r/politics and /r/worldnews are regularly ridiculed in the rest of reddit for being Bernie-Central, to the poinnt that posting about other candidates on the left gets you called a traitor. Anyway that's why I get my politics on /r/anime_titties.

I'm saying internet wide. There's almost 20% more democrats than republicans nationwide. And since young people use internet more, it could be much higher ratio on the net.

If 2/3 of US internet users are left of conservatives, that's why they get downvoted to hell anywhere outside their safe spaces. IMO the crazy moderators on reddit are a result of the left lean, not the cause.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by ggggtez »

throwawei369 wrote: post #172
throwawei369 wrote: post #149

This increase of extreme assault on free-speech platforms should be worrying to everyone. Not too long ago, we were hailing the "internet" as a free fair space. Now it is a free fair space ... for everyone but some kind of people. I'm for free speech but this specific kind of targeted attacks is getting out of hand.

Exhibit A. HN downvoting this comment to hell

HN Rules: don't comment on being downvoted. It's not interesting.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by scrose »

feralimal wrote: post #183
dagmx wrote: post #155

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How many left wing dictators have there been?

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The Nazis were socialist only in name. I highly suggest reading at least the first book in Richard J. Evans’s trilogy on ‘The third Reich’ if you want your eyes opened to unbiased historical facts. Referring to names to determine the leaning of a political party or even community groups is never a good idea. Look at their policies and what their people are saying.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by piokoch »

UncleMeat wrote: post #18
mikepost001 wrote: post #17

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"you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US without fear of being banned or other mode“ For a non-American, could you explain how this is far right? Sounds pretty liberal.

Because the people there are far right. When you go to a website and the first thing you see is calls to murder jewish people and the n-word repeated ad nauseam, all but the far right decide to just leave. The end result is that gab/parler/etc don't become places where all speech exists but instead places where extreme racism, homophobia, and sexism suck the oxygen away from everything else.

By curiosity I've looked on Gab and I don't see any content you mention. Yes, there is something about protests against banning guns, some celebrities teaming up to support Trump, etc., which is considered to be "far right" but I haven't seen anything you mention.

I might have missed that obviously during my five minutes of browsing there, as a result, if they really call for murdering Jews, could you provide a link to such resource - calling to murder someone is a crime in the US, so such link would be a good evidence for prosecution.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by sofixa »

exporectomy wrote: post #212
lwansbrough wrote: post #162

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Conservativism largely fails over time in the free marketplace of ideas as evidence by human progress and societal change. Conservativism is fundamentally about suppressing change in favour of familiarity and established norms, which could certainly be seen as censorship. An obvious example of this is the conservative/Puritan influence in American culture, which has lead to excessive censorship of sexual content and…

Counterexample - Islamic culture is conservative and thriving in the world (20% of all humans are Muslim), with roughly the same beliefs and culture as it's had for the past 1000 years.

I'm not sure thriving is the correct term. When it comes to HDI, human rights record, freedom of press/expression/etc. i can't think of a single Muslim-majority country ( which isn't the same as Islamic, and i chose the former because they fare better by definition on various freedoms)

On the HDI, the first majority Muslim country is the UAE, at 31, and that's probably highly skewed by its limited population, extreme natural wealth, and slavery. And considering it's involved in a human rights catastrophe in Yemen, it fails any human rights record-based index directly.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

On the contrary, I'd say that Islam is stuck in the past, which doesn't help Muslim nations thrive and develop, and those that do, do it based on "luck" ( natural resources).

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by abernard1 »

gizmo686 wrote: post #132
mikepost001 wrote: post #17

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"you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US without fear of being banned or other mode“ For a non-American, could you explain how this is far right? Sounds pretty liberal.

Adverse selection. If your differenciating feature is "you can say what you want without getting banned", your userbase is going to tend towards people who get banned on other platforms. In todays climate, that is mostly the far right. Compounding this is PR and network effects. Once they become known as the place for the far right, then more far righters go there, and more distant people avoid it.

> Adverse selection. If your differenciating feature is "you can say what you want without getting banned", your userbase is going to tend towards people who get banned on other platforms. In todays climate, that is mostly the far right.

And in Hong Kong, it's anti-CCP protestors. In Iran, it is opponents of the theocracy. We can play this game all day.

Tech's obsession with hating on Gab/Parler is based upon on the identity of the people in them, not on whether offensive or not-sanctioned speech should be allowed in general.

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Post by sofixa »

feralimal wrote: post #194
dagmx wrote: post #189

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That's a very obtuse and dishonest take of the the Nazi party and socialism. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-need... Besides, party names have never been a good indicator of political standing. Only policy is. You can look at the Liberals in Australia as an example of a conservative party.

No it's not. They built roads, made the people's wagon (volkswagen), etc.

That's got to be the lowest bar for "socialism" i've ever seen. So, is Eisenhower socialist as well? The US Interstate highway is much bigger than the Autobahn, so it surely counts?

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Post by jonathanstrange »

Semaphor wrote: post #250
covermydonkey wrote: post #57

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As a South African all of this is fascinating. Especially the shift of where the "center" is. It seemed every American not on the left is called "far right" from where I am sitting. Half a dozen of my friends have moved to the States and a few have scolded me for my understanding saying that plenty of centrists are labeled far right. I'm beginning to glaze over the label now. It doesn't hold any sway for me because i…

> It seemed every American not on the left is called "far right" from where I am sitting. From my perspective as a German, you have the centrist democrats that swing quite a bit in both directions, and the republicans who swing from center right to "makes our local right wing extremist party drool"-right.

I can confirm that. The whole political landscape in the US is skewed to the right and has always been. So are their political positions, e.g. the word "social democracy" plays almost no role and "liberal" either means "extreme left" or, even worse and more incorrect, is used as a synonym to libertarianism by white supremacists and neo-Nazis who disguise themselves as "libertarians."

I guess it's the result of having a two-party system.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by jl6 »

colesantiago wrote: post #257
jl6 wrote: post #249

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Some people disagree with that attempt to redefine words. This whole thread is about the right to have that disagreement in a civil fashion, or whether to shut down the thought process with phrases like “period”.

> This whole thread is about the right to have that disagreement in a civil fashion. Well fuck their disagreement, there is no civility when you're excluding people. Also, this t*rf shit is not up for discussion and there should be no debate on trans women's existence as women.

“Period”, “fuck [them]”, “not up for discussion”, “no debate”... these are not terms used by successful thinkers. Rather, they are how echo chambers form.
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